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UNLV NIL Fiasco

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Anyone keeping up with the UNLV and former QB?

Some if the scenarios I read were:
- They didn't pay him
- They did pay him, but now he wants more money
- Another school offered more to redshirt to play next season

There could others out there that I missed.

The current business model is failing, and it is going to be an epic collapse at some point. These kids and majority of parents are not smart enough to have this much influence at a program. Honestly, our school will not be able to sustain this for the long term.
 
Yup. Depends on if you listen to the school, him and his parents and agent, or the other rumors.

Either way, this can only be fixed with true contracts which means employment and a CBA. And none of that is sustainable for schools our size and budget, hence why I think there will be a split in the next decade. Those who can pay a salary, and those who can supply the current model.
 
I've been reading about this all morning. What a shitshow.

Still think we need the soccer model - sign a player to a 1-4 year contract. The player/team can buy his way out of it at anytime if he wants to transfer or if the school wants him to leave. Protects the school, protects the player.
 
I've been reading about this all morning. What a shitshow.

Still think we need the soccer model - sign a player to a 1-4 year contract. The player/team can buy his way out of it at anytime if he wants to transfer or if the school wants him to leave. Protects the school, protects the player.
We need more than just that from soccer. I'd 100% support relegation in college football with salary caps for the tiers. 100%.
 
Pretty much said an assistant coach verbally offered 100k. No one ever confirmed that and they paid him 3k to move and offer 4 months at 3k. I feel like the truth is probably a coach said something but never promised it and now that they are doing well he wants to make some money by transferring next season.
 
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We need more than just that from soccer. I'd 100% support relegation in college football with salary caps for the tiers. 100%.

Promotion/Relegation would be awesome, but no power AD is going to go for that. Any program that gets relegated is going to clean house and no admin is going to risk their spot on the athletics gravy train.

I still think if you had buyouts, that would allow you to essentially monetize your roster and put the funds back into the program.

I.e. if you found a 2-star nobody QB that turned into the next Mahomes, imaging what that would be worth to the Alabama's and Tennessee's of the college football world? You could buy an entire roster with those funds.
 
Another player. Sure sounds like some coach made some verbal commitments. Still though, onus should be on the players to get it in writing. But until there are rules in place, ie a CBA, this will become more common.

 
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Of course it's a G5 getting screwed over here.

Guarantee he's at a P4 program next year.

Truly insane. I take back what I said about G5's being glorified JUCO's. It's even worse than that. P4's are getting in kids ears and letting them know they should sit, utilize their redshirt, and transfer for all that $ after the seasons over! At least kids play out the season in junior college....

My god this sport is ruined
 
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Of course it's a G5 getting screwed over here.

Guarantee he's at a P4 program next year.

Truly insane. I take back what I said about G5's being glorified JUCO's. It's even worse than that. P4's are getting in kids ears and letting them know they should sit, utilize their redshirt, and transfer for all that $ after the seasons over! At least kids play out the season in junior college....

My god this sport is ruined

I’m not so sure about that. Maybe this level was too much for him. He’s only completing 43% of his passes and gone over 100 yards passing once in three games. Sounds like they may have actually overpaid him.
 
Someone clarify for me, but these collectives cannot be associated with the actual university, or can they?

If the QB was not getting paid or demanding money, isn't that something to be discussed with the group running that collective, not the HC?

Wasn't the whole NIL situation as whole intended for players, if asked, to make commercials, endorsements, and other stuff like that? How did we get to this point of just paying players to come play and unlimited transfers?
 
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Someone clarify for me, but these collectives cannot be associated with the actual university, or can they?

If the QB was not getting paid or demanding money, isn't that something to be discussed with the group running that collective, not the HC?

Wasn't the whole NIL situation as whole intended for players, if asked, to make commercials, endorsements, and other stuff like that? How did we get to this point of just paying players to come play and unlimited transfers?

That's one of the murky unknowns about NIL these days. It appears that it's state to state related. I know there was a law passed that allowed Tennessee's collective to be in touch with the football program. No idea on Nevada.
 
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Someone clarify for me, but these collectives cannot be associated with the actual university, or can they?

If the QB was not getting paid or demanding money, isn't that something to be discussed with the group running that collective, not the HC?

Wasn't the whole NIL situation as whole intended for players, if asked, to make commercials, endorsements, and other stuff like that? How did we get to this point of just paying players to come play and unlimited transfers?
It was meant for how Shedeur Sanders does it. He has contracts for commercials with Beats, KFC, a local car dealer, a watch company. That is what NIL is truly for and what I don't think a single person is against.

But thanks to the lawsuit the TN courts went through, it killed any NCAA restrictions. So now collectives have members (some businesses and some individual) and make direct payments to the players. Oklahoma State's collective spent almost $3m last year. Ohio State nearly $20m. The average I've seen for a 5-star player is over $100k/year with 2-star at around $12k. Some high end transfers are getting nearly $1m.

There's a thread here somewhere about our MBB team all being paid a few thousand a month last year.

Technically the collectives aren't part of the schools. But they work hand in had. "Hey Joe, this is coach. I've got a QB I want in the portal. I need $500k to get him." "No problem coach. Send him my way."

That is why the judge rejected the initial House settlement. She didn't see why the NCAA still wants to limit and create a distinction between boosters and collectives. Doing so will still bring anti trust issues.
 
But thanks to the lawsuit the TN courts went through, it killed any NCAA restrictions. So now collectives have members (some businesses and some individual) and make direct payments to the players. Oklahoma State's collective spent almost $3m last year. Ohio State nearly $20m. The average I've seen for a 5-star player is over $100k/year with 2-star at around $12k. Some high end transfers are getting nearly $1m.

There's a thread here somewhere about our MBB team all being paid a few thousand a month last year.

Technically the collectives aren't part of the schools. But they work hand in had. "Hey Joe, this is coach. I've got a QB I want in the portal. I need $500k to get him." "No problem coach. Send him my way."

There's no way we can compete with this. Not just us, there's probably 80 schools in the same boat more or less.

We (most of the G5) simply don't have the deep pockets needed to compete. I don't blame anyone - the teams that are primed to do well here are 100 year old football programs, with generational fan bases and longstanding commercial ties. We just didn't have the time to build that up.

We might not ever have been able to do that - the fact is we're kind of an everyman college - we train teachers and nurses and small business folks (and we're good at it too). We don't have a Haslam, or a Yellawood, or a group of Oil-men.

The G5 needs someone with some foresight and some cojones to get us out of this losing arms race and come up with a framework that works for us. Unfortunately, I think most of the G5 leadership is just simply focused on not rocking the boat, and keeping the paycheck and benefits coming rather than coming up with anything truly transformative.
 
I’m not so sure about that. Maybe this level was too much for him. He’s only completing 43% of his passes and gone over 100 yards passing once in three games. Sounds like they may have actually overpaid him.
They were using that as leverage to get some money from UNLV. He will be back at Holy Cross or another NE fcs program.
 
Anyone keeping up with the UNLV and former QB?

Some if the scenarios I read were:
- They didn't pay him
- They did pay him, but now he wants more money
- Another school offered more to redshirt to play next season

There could others out there that I missed.

The current business model is failing, and it is going to be an epic collapse at some point. These kids and majority of parents are not smart enough to have this much influence at a program. Honestly, our school will not be able to sustain this for the long term.

Failing for who? Small G5 programs that don't turn a profit? If so, I agree. That's the result of a free market. There are always market corrections, and they are typically drastic. End of the day, money always wins. As an MT alum and fan, it burns, but we missed our chance. Simple as that.

As far as being "not smart enough", he is smart enough to cash in while he can. Optically, it's not a great look, but another school is going to pay him. He will have over 100k reasons to not care about the optics. Like it or not, he is maximizing his earnings window. He will be the first of many to do this.

These TV contracts changed the business model. I don't have a problem with players cashing in. They are the product. Coaches have made a career of out leaving for more $, why can't players? Because of loyalty to the school? That's just not the real world anymore.

I realize I'm in the extreme minority, but this is why I just don't see the ROI in investing in G5 football anymore. We are steam rolling forward into just being glorified minor league football. Any P5 talent we get will leave as soon as a more lucrative offer comes along. It's almost impossible for us, or similar schools, to be relevant on a national scale.

IMO, we need to be the Butler or Wichita St of the southeast. Be a national player in basketball and baseball. Again, I realize I'm in the minority. Just feels like we are spitting in the wind on this, and it's only going to get worse.
 
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I realize I'm in the extreme minority, but this is why I just don't see the ROI in investing in G5 football anymore. We are steam rolling forward into just being glorified minor league football. Any P5 talent we get will leave as soon as a more lucrative offer comes along. It's almost impossible for us, or similar schools, to be relevant on a national scale.

IMO, we need to be the Butler or Wichita St of the southeast. Be a national player in basketball and baseball. Again, I realize I'm in the minority. Just feels like we are spitting in the wind on this, and it's only going to get worse.

It's inevitable that there will become a third division somewhere between FBS and FCS, and we and a whole lot of other programs will be in it. I don't know when or the exact mechanisms that will cause it. G5 programs are still under the idea that if they just do a few things here and, get a little lucky, they'll be the next big thing. It ain't gonna happen for 99% of the programs. We'll get there, but the G5 will have to lose a whole lot of money to bust those egos first.

I do actually think there's an opportunity to be successful here. Obviously, competing with the Alabamas and Texas's is out the window (if that window ever truly existed). But there's an appetite for legacy college football, with a whole lot of quality programs that can feed it. We have to clean up our own mess first and dig our way out of the whole we dug for 17 years.
 
It's inevitable that there will become a third division somewhere between FBS and FCS, and we and a whole lot of other programs will be in it.

But there's an appetite for legacy college football, with a whole lot of quality programs that can feed it.

Appreciate the feedback on my post. I find the two statements above to be the biggest bogeys. I assume that's the case for most of us who have allegiances to G5 schools.

I completely agree that money is going to bifurcate FBS football. I also think that is going to change the appetite for legacy college football. With power conferences and TV deals, there are going to be marquee games EVERY Saturday, and I think create a vacuum that takes the oxygen out of G5 / FCS / etc. Our games will matter to us, but that's it. Our footprint will become smaller, if that's even possible.
 
looks like he tried to string arm them, no player has backed him, and a lot of the players said about time for williams. Williams is a better passer and just as good of a runner. They won't drop off, may get more explosive since he can push it deep. Watched this kid in high school at Hapeville Charter and my son played against him at Campbell. the numbers he put up at Campbell with non scholarship players is impressive
 
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Failing for who? Small G5 programs that don't turn a profit? If so, I agree. That's the result of a free market. There are always market corrections, and they are typically drastic. End of the day, money always wins. As an MT alum and fan, it burns, but we missed our chance. Simple as that.

As far as being "not smart enough", he is smart enough to cash in while he can. Optically, it's not a great look, but another school is going to pay him. He will have over 100k reasons to not care about the optics. Like it or not, he is maximizing his earnings window. He will be the first of many to do this.

These TV contracts changed the business model. I don't have a problem with players cashing in. They are the product. Coaches have made a career of out leaving for more $, why can't players? Because of loyalty to the school? That's just not the real world anymore.

I realize I'm in the extreme minority, but this is why I just don't see the ROI in investing in G5 football anymore. We are steam rolling forward into just being glorified minor league football. Any P5 talent we get will leave as soon as a more lucrative offer comes along. It's almost impossible for us, or similar schools, to be relevant on a national scale.

IMO, we need to be the Butler or Wichita St of the southeast. Be a national player in basketball and baseball. Again, I realize I'm in the minority. Just feels like we are spitting in the wind on this, and it's only going to get worse.

I 100% agree and I’ve said the same things for quite a while now. Just put the football program out of its misery and focus on basketball. Fire McPhee, then Steve smith, then McDevitt. Find new basketball coach, maybe a new AD. Then just go all in on basketball. It’s our only chance.

I have no interest in being a glorified JUCO program. I don’t want to watch our best players leave every year and we get Rutgers 3rd stringers in return. Sorry, not interested.

I don’t care if another division is made for us or not. I still don’t want our best players leaving every off season. Imagine if Richie James, Kevin byard, reed blankenship, Kerry wright, dwone hicks, etc. all just left after their break out years. Not only would that have royally sucked, but imagine how much worse our teams would have been.

Who the hell wants to your best players leave every off season? In what other sport does that even happen? Every other sport that I’m aware the star players get long contracts and are usually there a long time. Might get traded but then that team gets a star or good draft capital in return.

CFB has lost its way and it’s simply untenable for G5s and only going to get worse as more and more money floods into the sport. I don’t understand how any G5 fans/followers are enjoying this
 
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Our athletic budget in 2023 was 40.8 million. The median FBS budget was 83.6 million.

We are not competitive with the top 1/2 of FBS. We are not competitive in NIL.

This NIL story demonstrates how messed up this system is and how MT won’t be successful in this system, especially with M&M in charge for at least a few more years.

We have to subsidize 2/3 of our athletic budget with student fees school funding. This is just to remain not competitive FBS. The worst budget in the SEC, Mississippi State, subsidized their budget with $0 from student fees and school funds.

There’s no way a reasonable person can look at the budget and results then say our it’s worth it or our “leadership” is meeting their fiduciary responsibility.

We had a narrow path to success to make the FBS move make sense and we let M&M pilot the ship.

We are not with the P4. Why subsidize at this rate to stay in the G6?

We should drop back to FCS for football, cut our subsidizes significantly and refocuses our resources where we can be competitive.
 
Our athletic budget in 2023 was 40.8 million. The median FBS budget was 83.6 million.

We are not competitive with the top 1/2 of FBS. We are not competitive in NIL.

This NIL story demonstrates how messed up this system is and how MT won’t be successful in this system, especially with M&M in charge for at least a few more years.

We have to subsidize 2/3 of our athletic budget with student fees school funding. This is just to remain not competitive FBS. The worst budget in the SEC, Mississippi State, subsidized their budget with $0 from student fees and school funds.

There’s no way a reasonable person can look at the budget and results then say our it’s worth it or our “leadership” is meeting their fiduciary responsibility.

We had a narrow path to success to make the FBS move make sense and we let M&M pilot the ship.

We are not with the P4. Why subsidize at this rate to stay in the G6?

We should drop back to FCS for football, cut our subsidizes significantly and refocuses our resources where we can be competitive.
Not that it matters in the big scheme of all this, but Mississippi State students have to purchase their tickets to all athletic events. But I totally agree with what you're saying in regard to the student fees and the subsidizing of athletics.

Bama students do as well, but they have to choose between two packages that only carry half the season, and seniors get first choice.

MT definitely cannot afford to take that position; students would never go. I totally agree that maybe should drop down or focus on basketball.

I saw it in a previous post that the other kids at UNLV did not back the QB. I don't mind kids getting money, but for love of God, get it in writing. Did his parents not think: "Hey, we going to need this in writing", or the agent? Was he hired after the fact? Are any of us going to take a job for "life changing money" based on what a recruiter says without talking to a decision maker and signing a formal deal. Everyone in here seems smart, I don't think anyone in here would.

I still contend that this model, as it currently allows each individual state to set their own rules, is failing and will continue to fail the overall world of college football. Not all schools, but majority. Honestly, I don't think Mississippi State is going to be able to keep up with this arms race. They have for decades focused on baseball. It's like a five-year waiting list, if not longer, to get a chair back season ticket at Dudy Noble Field, not reference any secondary market sites.

I think, just random ideas, the rules with NIL need to be equal across the board with some type of national governance (this is interstate commerce since crossing state lines) so that each school is playing by the same set of rules.

I also wouldn't mind seeing some type of salary cap, if it's good enough for the big leagues, it should be for the NCAA. Maybe P4 has a limit and G5 has a limit. Maybe, hopefully, it might help schools like ours get closer to where we are competing financially with other peer schools in the NIL realm. Honestly, I have no idea where we sit with NIL and who is getting paid and how much.

How about pay scales based on academic year in school, kind of like the rookie deals in the NFL, but can earn more as sophomore and so on. Maybe, just maybe, give some of the kids an incentive to get that degree.

I wouldn't mind a performance-based contract, incentives if you will.

I also do not believe a freshmen player, having never played a down in college football, should be making more than league minimum in NFL. At least those dudes have some college experience. I understand how the market works, and yes, there will come a correction. But leadership could help speed it up. There has to be a time coming, if not already, where a player didn't live up to expectations and a group finally says no more. Has it happened already? I am assuming these NIL deals are yearly, is that fair to say?

I don't know if all or any are feasible, maybe it's time for a CBA. I just believe that college football cannot continue on its current trajectory. MT has bigger problems in addition to the NIL world. Jesus, we are so far behind.

My thoughts are purely opinions, some wrong and some right, but we all know what they say about opinions.
 
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Not that it matters in the big scheme of all this, but Mississippi State students have to purchase their tickets to all athletic events. But I totally agree with what you're saying in regard to the student fees and the subsidizing of athletics.

Bama students do as well, but they have to choose between two packages that only carry half the season, and seniors get first choice.

MT definitely cannot afford to take that position; students would never go. I totally agree that maybe should drop down or focus on basketball.

I saw it in a previous post that the other kids at UNLV did not back the QB. I don't mind kids getting money, but for love of God, get it in writing. Did his parents not think: "Hey, we going to need this in writing", or the agent? Was he hired after the fact? Are any of us going to take a job for "life changing money" based on what a recruiter says without talking to a decision maker and signing a formal deal. Everyone in here seems smart, I don't think anyone in here would.

I still contend that this model, as it currently allows each individual state to set their own rules, is failing and will continue to fail the overall world of college football. Not all schools, but majority. Honestly, I don't think Mississippi State is going to be able to keep up with this arms race. They have for decades focused on baseball. It's like a five-year waiting list, if not longer, to get a chair back season ticket at Dudy Noble Field, not reference any secondary market sites.

I think, just random ideas, the rules with NIL need to be equal across the board with some type of national governance (this is interstate commerce since crossing state lines) so that each school is playing by the same set of rules.

I also wouldn't mind seeing some type of salary cap, if it's good enough for the big leagues, it should be for the NCAA. Maybe P4 has a limit and G5 has a limit. Maybe, hopefully, it might help schools like ours get closer to where we are competing financially with other peer schools in the NIL realm. Honestly, I have no idea where we sit with NIL and who is getting paid and how much.

How about pay scales based on academic year in school, kind of like the rookie deals in the NFL, but can earn more as sophomore and so on. Maybe, just maybe, give some of the kids an incentive to get that degree.

I wouldn't mind a performance-based contract, incentives if you will.

I also do not believe a freshmen player, having never played a down in college football, should be making more than league minimum in NFL. At least those dudes have some college experience. I understand how the market works, and yes, there will come a correction. But leadership could help speed it up. There has to be a time coming, if not already, where a player didn't live up to expectations and a group finally says no more. Has it happened already? I am assuming these NIL deals are yearly, is that fair to say?

I don't know if all or any are feasible, maybe it's time for a CBA. I just believe that college football cannot continue on its current trajectory. MT has bigger problems in addition to the NIL world. Jesus, we are so far behind.

My thoughts are purely opinions, some wrong and some right, but we all know what they say about opinions.

Mississippi State’s student tickets are a bit more than the $18 I paid for 6 games in grad school 20 years ago.


But at least it’s optional and not required.
 
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Mississippi State’s student tickets are a bit more than the $18 I paid for 6 games in grad school 20 years ago.


But at least it’s optional and not required.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree. Like you said, at least they have a choice. Many students are like me back many moons ago, a non-traditional student with full time job, some are even supporting a family. I was fresh off active duty supporting myself with no local family. So, I understand how many feel and they have every right to. That GI Bill is nowhere near what it is now.

I think I paid $250 for my daughter's all sports ticket. I cannot remember what the student fee was my last year, which was 24 years ago. Holy crap, that's a long time ago.
 
UNLV gets the last laugh because next man up is actually better than the NIL knucklehead that left. They beat the hell out of a 3-1 Fresno team. These dudes are replacable. Play stupid games and win dumba$$ prizes.
watched him in HS and my son played against him at Campbell. What people don't realize is he originally committed Army, and he just fell into Campbells lap.
 
Honestly, what does anyone expect.

Youth sports is now a six figure business.
There are no student Athletes in d-1.
Coaches are the highest paid people on an academic campus.

A large silver lining according the NCAA, however is that 91 percent of D1 athletes are graduating with a diploma.
 
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......A large silver lining according the NCAA, however is that 91 percent of D1 athletes are graduating with a diploma.
Honest question.

How are these kids graduating?

I transferred a measly 12 credit hours for college classes I took in high school and that was a pain. I can't see how these kids are getting the classes they need and not losing credits during multiple transfers. Some players are at four schools during their career.
 
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Honest question.

How are these kids graduating?

I transferred a measly 12 credit hours for college classes I took in high school and that was a pain. I can't see how these kids are getting the classes they need and not losing credits during multiple transfers. Some players are at four schools during their career.
As someone who transferred 2x in undergrad and again in graduate school, I figured out how to find the programs that took the MOST credits and didn't fall behind. Unfortunately that program was the standard, meaningless Interdisciplinary Studies degree. My guess is the athletic advisors are doing the same. I could be wrong.

I'd like to know what percentage of athletes (and students) graduate with a meaningful degree that they don't have to explain in every job interview.
 
As someone who transferred 2x in undergrad and again in graduate school, I figured out how to find the programs that took the MOST credits and didn't fall behind. Unfortunately that program was the standard, meaningless Interdisciplinary Studies degree. My guess is the athletic advisors are doing the same. I could be wrong.

I'd like to know what percentage of athletes (and students) graduate with a meaningful degree that they don't have to explain in every job interview.
I was told that most of these guys take online classes the majority of the time.
So much for the “college classroom experience” and acquiring adequate social skills.
😂😂
 
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I was told that most of these guys take online classes the majority of the time.
So much for the “college classroom experience” and acquiring adequate social skills.
😂😂
I got into a Twitter beef a while back over the whole gatekeeping thing with how someone who went to MT shouldn't pull for UT over MT.

It dawned on me from some of the responses the whole college experience is gone. It's no wonder there isn't connection anymore to G5 schools.
I spent all four of my years here, lived on campus for three of them. Ate three meals at the cafeterias. Studied in the library. Went to club meetings.

Developing that connection is long gone now.
 
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I got into a Twitter beef a while back over the whole gatekeeping thing with how someone who went to MT shouldn't pull for UT over MT.

It dawned on me from some of the responses the whole college experience is gone. It's no wonder there isn't connection anymore to G5 schools.
I spent all four of my years here, lived on campus for three of them. At three meals at the cafeterias. Studied in the library. Went to club meetings.

Developing that connection is long gone now.

Bingo. Higher ed has shifted massively since most of us were on campus. Both on the educational side and the athletic side. It's hardly a shell of itself anymore.

Hard to find it interesting or appealing anymore. It's almost become a foreign entity to me.
 
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