UNIVERSITY NEWS The Facilities Announcement
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The chairbacks do wonders for fans from a comfort experience sitting for 3 hours.
I'm thinking Rick donates 500K and then signs an extension to make up for the donation.
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He also is a UM alumni though and made the bulk of his money off Georgia. Stock made the bulk of his money off us.
100%. I won't buy tickets unless they are chairbacks. Or against the top row wall at Charlotte.
Even bought someone's season tickets with the attached chairbacks for the VT game. But permanent chairbacks are 100% worth it. I'd pay a premium for it no questions asked.
I really wasn't trying to make the reduction of seats the main or even a substantial argument. While I like idea of keeping the best capacity possible and setting big goals to meet that capacity, arguing for big capacity when MT athletics are at a depressing low is a non-starter of an argument. People will too easily assert why do we need 30,000 seats when MT can't even draw 4,000? I'm also thinking a few years down the road when hopefully MTSU is out of the the current morass. That combined with most any government institution will take years or even decades to get something back if you give it up.
Anyways, back to the more pressing matter of M&M essentially yelling squirrel at a time to get people to look elsewhere while their leadership has yielded an unmitigated disaster of a dumpster fire of MTSU athletics for all the public to see. While doing this to turn people's attention, the same problems and failures of their leadership are still on full display and in full effect. Are there any signs of accountability to suggest a real change of heart and attitude from the same attitudes that led MTSU to this sorry state in the first place?
Still painfully present are low energy, general lethargy, low expectations, no sense of urgency, little to no accountability, lack of vision, poor communication, poor fan engagement, miserable branding, and no signs of any energy or any hope of any real improvement for the two main revenue sports. So, yes, facilities are much needed and way past due, but will there be any real improvement if all other things remain the same?
Anyways, back to the more pressing matter of M&M essentially yelling squirrel at a time to get people to look elsewhere while their leadership has yielded an unmitigated disaster of a dumpster fire of MTSU athletics for all the public to see. While doing this to turn people's attention, the same problems and failures of their leadership are still on full display and in full effect. Are there any signs of accountability to suggest a real change of heart and attitude from the same attitudes that led MTSU to this sorry state in the first place?
Still painfully present are low energy, general lethargy, low expectations, no sense of urgency, little to no accountability, lack of vision, poor communication, poor fan engagement, miserable branding, and no signs of any energy or any hope of any real improvement for the two main revenue sports. So, yes, facilities are much needed and way past due, but will there be any real improvement if all other things remain the same?
I donated. No I don't agree with many many things M&M have done. But I did this for the future. For us to grow at all, with or without them, we need these upgrades.
Selfishly I also want to see the finished product and see my name on the list of donors. Knowing my small part helped.
Selfishly I also want to see the finished product and see my name on the list of donors. Knowing my small part helped.
And with Stocks donation, he has guaranteed himself to NEVER be fired. I mean how could they? It seems highly odd to me he would do this while still coaching the team. After you retire seems more logical. So either he is retiring at the end of this year, or he played his poker hand which solidified his job to eternity which maybe was in jeopardy this year.
So it’s very generous and appreciated , but his decisions will never be challenged again. if he keeps coaching, that’s not good for the program. If he steps away and helps raise more money and MT keeps baby Stock on staff, then that’s best case scenario.
So it’s very generous and appreciated , but his decisions will never be challenged again. if he keeps coaching, that’s not good for the program. If he steps away and helps raise more money and MT keeps baby Stock on staff, then that’s best case scenario.
yeah it’s a little weird. It makes me think he has discussed retirement with Massaro. Either end of this year or they have agreed he will coach for another year or two, but I feel like they have definitely decided on a time when he will be done
How could they? Easy! Wait for that check to clear, then show him the door. They could even give him a nice going away party at the HOF to be nice.
All he did in my mind was buy himself time to make it to his contract end. He knows the rumblings of using the CUSA $ to buy him out. He bought goodwill to ensure that money will be used elsewhere and he will leave on his terms.
He just looks tired though. I really don't see him going past 24. He will want to see this through and be done.
Just a hunch. Absolutely could be full of crap though.
He just looks tired though. I really don't see him going past 24. He will want to see this through and be done.
Just a hunch. Absolutely could be full of crap though.
IIRC, original plans called for a capacity of 36K, but estimates came back on the budget that basically cut off about 8-12 rows off the top of the upper deck in the plans. I think aluminum was always the planned material in expansion. Chair backs weren't anything more back then IIRC.
Remember this aluminum rendering too. Budget estimates then called for a $25,000,000 facility (in 1995 year dollars) stadium with seating for 36,000. What I remember was solution was to delete 8 rows from north end zone and 12 rows from east side of stadium. Also, there was reportedly fewer and/or smaller concourse amenities like concession stands, training/office, and restrooms. The east stadium demolition occurred the following week after Tennessee Tech game in 1996. 1997 season occurred in half of our stadium (the completed east side) with 8,800 capacity while west side was being refurbished. The final price tag was in the $27,000,000 range when finished in 1998. The main driver was maintaining the 30,000 minimum capacity for 1-A membership.
He was making just over $700,000 base salary 7 years ago when he offered to forego any future bonuses for 3 years. He’s making close to a $1MM now. Just kicking those base salary numbers around, and not counting any bonuses, I backed into +/- $11.2 million using an average of $700,000 for 16 years. The average tenure for a FBS head coach is 3.8 years.
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He’s been well compensated for a long time. I think it’s great that he wants to honor his players with the donation. But it’s past time for a change. Waaay past time. Our fanbase deserves a conference title. At least one. I supported and defended him in here during 4 losing seasons in his first 6 years.
He lost me when I saw where it was headed with his staff hires in 2014-15.
I wish him well in his retirement.
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Just to clarify, he didn't buy any goodwill with me. I meant the general public and the admin.
If he told me today he was retiring, I'd shake his hand and say have fun. Wouldn't even ask him if he was sure.
I remember there being plans for brick columns, I believe, on the outside of the stadium, but they were nixed in a cost saving effort. Similar to what happened with the baseball renovation.
I am not sure what Stock's motivations are, but it could just be that he is a good man that wants to give back to the university that has given him so much. There doesn't have to be an ulterior motive to it. I am also not saying there isn't, but no one can really say there is either. Sometimes this board can get a little too tinfoil hat.
This^.
Look, he may retire. He may not. Personally, I think its time for a change, but I can't deny that his donation says a lot about his character and care for his players.
The criticism of Stock isn't that he's not a good dude - he clearly is. He's just not anything more than a mediocre football coach.
You know, I got to thinking - Imagine an athletics program that put educating students, building character, providing a quality student athlete experience as paramount - recruiting good character kids who graduate, have their priorities in order, give back to their community, etc, etc - and they placed these priorities far above the winning games and titles. You'd love to see it! It's be as admirable and refreshing as it is noble.
Just not our team.
That probably says a lot more about me than them - but screw it, I want to see us win a championship.
Good graduation rates, acceptable APRs and winning consistently are not mutually exclusive if you hire hungry young assistants who will actually work at recruiting. Let that marinate.
Does McPhee actually think we will allow him to get away with the .... it dawned on me that we needed better facilities comment? I mean reallyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????
The enthusiasm for this program used to be on fire and HE ruined it. He is the reason we are one of the leftovers....period!!!!! I CANT BELIEVE HE STILL HAS A JOB!!
As long as 7wood is here I a very leery of everything. He should have been gone a long time ago. Until he is gone I have little to no faith in the program no matter who else gets fired/hired.
As someone stated earlier, Richt was a former Miami player and graduate of the school.
Some Memphis folks still like to applaud Tommy West for his post firing public rant admonishing school admins “to put something in it (football) or do away with it! I put in 9 years here, hard years!”
That said, he still raked in another $2.75MM @ $925,000 a year with no offset or active job search requirement. How those remaining three years were disbursed is a whole different discussion that I won’t get into here but to my knowledge I don’t believe he ever donated to Tiger Athletics.
And never won a CUSA title.
Yep, but that would require work and effort in athletics.
Nothing about McPhee, Massaro, or Stockstill screams effort, work, or any of the qualities needed to have both a high achievement athletics program with championship caliber athletic success.
That's the frustrating thing. He's a good man. He's a man of character. He loves his players.
At this point - 16 years in - Stockstill is who he is. He's a .500 coach. He's gonna lose a game he shouldn't lose every year. And he's gonna win one game he shouldn't win every year.
But if McPhee & Massaro really believe what they said during the facility announcement, they'd move on.
The state didn't fire him years ago for sexual harassment. They didn't fire him for climbing into bed with the Chicoms. They have given him extensions and raises. They love them some 7 wood!
About the only thing that would get him fired is endorsing Trump...
Maybe you haven't heard of a little thing associated with MT football called #EAT.T. Wait, or is it #EAT T.? Maybe #EATT.?
“A New Home” - Excitement builds as Facility Plan moves forward - Middle Tennessee State University Athletics
MURFREESBORO, Tenn. — Jordan Middleton had seen the video before. When the once Middle Tennessee quarterback was getting recruited to Murfreesboro, the renderings
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A lot of talk and excitement around infrastructure. I’m cynical about the whole thing but if they bring down some aluminum stands, they should melt it down to a commemorative beer can and sell a special blue raider beer.
I still have a piece of Murphy center’s original basketball floor when they sold that for memorabilia.
I still have a piece of Murphy center’s original basketball floor when they sold that for memorabilia.
The picture is worth a thousand words. That’s all I’m gonna say and I’ll gladly give and participate again when there is REAL change. I just don’t see it…..yet.“A New Home” - Excitement builds as Facility Plan moves forward - Middle Tennessee State University Athletics
MURFREESBORO, Tenn. — Jordan Middleton had seen the video before. When the once Middle Tennessee quarterback was getting recruited to Murfreesboro, the renderings
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So it was used as a recruiting tool for players who were never going to get any benefit from it? That's the message I took from that article.
Massaro is like, "Hehe.....is she still scowling? I'm afraid to look. Hehe."
Steven Smith states that MT is the #1 ranked public school in the nation for graduating athletes.
That’s great. But, if we plan to pay for all these facilities upgrades, the BOT better figure out a way to charge for admission to graduation ceremonies because that’s the only time Murphy Center has been a full house in over 3 years. “Winning” fills stadiums and arenas and sells Blue Raider Brats.
Does it say something about his character or something about his desire to generate job security since he is coming off of 2 consecutive losing seasons?
Good character, imo, Is to step aside when it’s time rather than hurt a program. But that’s just me.
