I don't think so either. We might could poach a few as it starts to fall apart.
Fire up the rumor mill: Missouri St to CUSA???
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No offense but I don’t want to be in a conference with any of those schools that most people couldn’t find on a map. It’s embarrassing that after all these years we haven’t progressed enough to move on from a conference that only has a strategy to keep adding new programs.
Say your prayers PAC adds some AAC teams so we have a shot to move on from the worst conference.
Say your prayers PAC adds some AAC teams so we have a shot to move on from the worst conference.
Sommy I am in total agreement. For me it’s aac or bust.
It’s unacceptable that after 23 seasons of Div. 1 Football, we’re being passed over for the likes of UTSA, Charlotte, North Texas and FAU.
Meanwhile…..
Still piling up “Rousing successes by Blue Raider Standards” 😂😂
SMH
Meanwhile…..
Still piling up “Rousing successes by Blue Raider Standards” 😂😂
SMH
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That's exactly what I was trying to get across to someone on Twitter when we were called entitled for not wanting to be in a conference with any of the FCS schools in that graphic.
I said it's not entitlement. We aren't against FCS jumps. Some can be great. No one fussed over JMU in the Belt. I'd be ok with SHSU or JSU or KSU. But 3 so far and I'm sure Judy is considering more, is crazy. Because few FBS schools want to be in this conference. It is no longer a destination or step up.
What we are against is that after 24yrs of FBS we are in a conference that would consider Chattanooga or Austin Peay. So we haven't improved better than them in 24yrs? The point was brought up well we've been held back by TN bureaucracy. Yeah. We have. Along with ourselves which is the problem. We have zero political clout or kahonas to move past that bureaucracy.
THAT is the issue. It's not that we think we are better than those schools. It's that we should be better than those schools by now. 24yrs and we have a 143-148 record, only champs are two co-champs and one division. NEVER been ranked, losing bowl record, and I could go on.
In total agreement with you and this wasn't the path that we were on in the 2000s. It became the trajectory when Sydney and Chris became permanent fixtures.
I remember when we were the darlings of the Sun Belt and Wright Waters made many comments about our potential. Talk about throwing it down the toilet.
I guess my takeaways from this are:
1). We are who we think we are - Little Middle in Murfreesboro
2). We have a bureaucratic system with no checks in balances for missed goals and objective key results. Either this is intentional or flat out incompetence. Who knows when you deal with government institutions.
I remember when we were the darlings of the Sun Belt and Wright Waters made many comments about our potential. Talk about throwing it down the toilet.
I guess my takeaways from this are:
1). We are who we think we are - Little Middle in Murfreesboro
2). We have a bureaucratic system with no checks in balances for missed goals and objective key results. Either this is intentional or flat out incompetence. Who knows when you deal with government institutions.
I'm more concerned with our 'leadership' than conferences right now. We are here because of stagnant and uninspiring leadership. Until that is replaced and an almost ruthless, ambitious, change in culture, we are almost certainly not going to be in a better place, conference or otherwise.
At what point can we publicly call out the lack of progress with this administration? There doesn't seem to be any accountability for performance and somehow it needs to be called out. I know they would quickly point to bowl games, but almost everyone goes to those now. I think you look at our peers and see how they have zoomed past us.
If there is significant reshuffling and we get left out of AAC again, then the program has a death sentence. I don't ever see it climbing back up at which point, it might be time to rethink why I even bother with it.
If there is significant reshuffling and we get left out of AAC again, then the program has a death sentence. I don't ever see it climbing back up at which point, it might be time to rethink why I even bother with it.
It may be all for naught anyway. George K is presenting the media deal to remaining schools today. Supposedly it is ALL streaming on Apple. But kicker is it is $20m per school (plus some incentives based on subscribers) but for new additions, they will get half. So say SDSU comes, then they get $10m and their remaining half gets split amongst the remaining PAC9 (8) members.
Even if the PAC helps pay buyouts, how can schools afford that? SMU buyout is around $17m. They make $7m now. Even if PAC pays half the buyout, is it worth paying another $8.5m for just an extra $3m a year? SDSU...worth paying their half, $17m, for an extra $6m a year? And that's IF the PAC pays half. Probably closer to 1/4. Is it worth that for autonomy?
I was reading an article on an entirely different subject but found this applies to what we are discussing here:
“Frustration leads to anger; unresolved anger leads to apathy, apathy leads to decay."
Or as we used to call it when I was hauling bricks for my dad and uncles in the Mississippi summer heat and humidity - SSDD.
Same shit, different day.
“Frustration leads to anger; unresolved anger leads to apathy, apathy leads to decay."
Or as we used to call it when I was hauling bricks for my dad and uncles in the Mississippi summer heat and humidity - SSDD.
Same shit, different day.
I against adding any program that you have to google to figure out who, what, or where they are.
I dont think the AAC buyout (SMU, Memphis, Tulane) is too big of a hurdle for them. Being in a conference with (before any more detractors) Oregon, Stanford, Washington, Arizona etc is worth the money.
Of course, those schools are looking for an exit, but what P5(P3 now) will have them?
When Texas and OU left the Big12, it was seen as the death knell for them. Now they are raiding the P12. This conference realignment stuff is wild, but I dont see how the P12 dies before they add SDSU, Memphis, Tulane, Colorado State, SMU etc.
As it all rolls upward the P12 becomes the AAC, which is the old CUSA, which is the whipping boy of all of this.
Of course, those schools are looking for an exit, but what P5(P3 now) will have them?
When Texas and OU left the Big12, it was seen as the death knell for them. Now they are raiding the P12. This conference realignment stuff is wild, but I dont see how the P12 dies before they add SDSU, Memphis, Tulane, Colorado State, SMU etc.
As it all rolls upward the P12 becomes the AAC, which is the old CUSA, which is the whipping boy of all of this.
Memphis is not going to PAC. The PAC is on life support, if AZ leaves to Big12 and is followed by ASU and UU. OU and UW will head to Big 10 and take that 50 million a year deal they turned down. Stanford, Cal, OSU and WSU will end up being the odd people out. Stanford doesn't want to play by today's rules and use NIL. OSU and WSU will go MWC. Maybe Cal and Stanford gets a BIG10 lifeline as well. now you have a Big 4, now the big 10 controls all the large media markets expect Dallas, Houston and the SOUTH. The ACC will be the next to fail and fall.
I definitely think the Pac12 is about to get raided. What they do next is key.
If they're smart, they'll rebrand a a sort of USA-wide conference - PODS across all 4 time-zones. That's where Memphis can come into play.
The problem is the snobs at Stanford and Cal, which will likely veto any sort of add - they did it already when the P12 was thinking about picking off some Texas B12 teams a few years ago. I can't imagine them being all that excited about Boise or Memphis (nothing wrong with those schools, but they're not Stanford).
I could see Stanford going independent - they're just built different.
Who knows - lots of forks in the road are coming up - but I've got the popcorn ready.
Memphis Football fans will drive to Cincy, Dallas, NOLA…..even Orlando and Tampa. But they ain’t gonna travel to any left coast road game unless it’s for a March Madness Basketball game. Fact.
Then they'll be left driving to places like Huntington WV and Bowling Green KY and Lynchburg VA.
This isn't about finding a great home, it's about not being left behind on a sinking ship.
I wonder what Louisiana Tech fans think.
They have somewhat been left behind too and I didn’t see that coming.
That fan base was atrocious in our earlier days of 1-A. Talk about entitled.
They have somewhat been left behind too and I didn’t see that coming.
That fan base was atrocious in our earlier days of 1-A. Talk about entitled.
Yeah, if I were a PAC school right now, I'd be running. How many subscribers is Memphis or SDSU or USF going to bring in? Enough to take a chance over guaranteed linear $ from the B12?
Who's going to switch to the Apple app when you can change the channel between ESPN and FOX? The integration is there for ESPN+ and Hulu Live to be same as changing channels, but not the rest yet.
And it isn't just the guaranteed $. It's viewership which affects recruting. The east isn't going to leave the prime time ABC Alabama game to open to Apple app and watch Stanford.
Who's going to switch to the Apple app when you can change the channel between ESPN and FOX? The integration is there for ESPN+ and Hulu Live to be same as changing channels, but not the rest yet.
And it isn't just the guaranteed $. It's viewership which affects recruting. The east isn't going to leave the prime time ABC Alabama game to open to Apple app and watch Stanford.
THIS cannot be stated enough. No matter ehat happens with PAC, Arizona, Memphis, AAC.....CM and McP should be on the phone constantly presentations in hand, keeping MT fresh on the mind of other conferences.
You know, being proactive.
We've always just needed to worry about us. Always. Nothing new here. It's unfortunate we havn't done it the last 20 years and only recently really seemed to decide to do so.
I hope it's not too late. Shame it took so long to get these facilities built and our basketball program fell off planet earth. If we would have just built these facilities 5 years earlier and kept our basketball momentum going (Hired Ryan Odom instead) we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. McPhee wanted to take the cheap route with McDevitt though (shocker) and hasn't listened to anyone the last 15 years who's been saying we need new facilities. Another shocker.
McPhee always with his head in the sand and trying to do things on the cheap. It's already cost us dearly and could spell the end here soon if things don't go our way. The sabotage almost feels willful at this point, and truly makes one wonder how someone so incompetent and bad at their job can continue to hold such a prestigious position.
I hope it's not too late. Shame it took so long to get these facilities built and our basketball program fell off planet earth. If we would have just built these facilities 5 years earlier and kept our basketball momentum going (Hired Ryan Odom instead) we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. McPhee wanted to take the cheap route with McDevitt though (shocker) and hasn't listened to anyone the last 15 years who's been saying we need new facilities. Another shocker.
McPhee always with his head in the sand and trying to do things on the cheap. It's already cost us dearly and could spell the end here soon if things don't go our way. The sabotage almost feels willful at this point, and truly makes one wonder how someone so incompetent and bad at their job can continue to hold such a prestigious position.
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That should tell you everything you need to know about how the state feels about this university.
WOW! Apple TV is worse than the Facebook and BeIN deal we had 8-9 years ago. Yeah, Big12 is about to load up and not even MWC teams will bite if that's all they can do. I mean WOW.
And they won't be the last. If the ACC exodus starts it will be the power 2, B12, then everyone else. Boston College and a few others will wind up dropping as well.
The lack of any sort of NCAA oversight is what is so disappointin. It’s obvious we are heading for 2/3 super conferences and eventually they will break off and do their own thing in terms of a playoff. All other programs are going to be pushed out. Couple that with NIL and all of this is terrible for ”amateur athletics”. It will be a small elite group and that’s it. It’s just said it’s happening before our eyes and nobody is stepping up to make it more fair.
Gone are the days of a program like Louisville or Boise State being built up from nothing.
With these conferences having up to 20 teams each, they will eventually split to regional pods. That will be the next step.
Gone are the days of a program like Louisville or Boise State being built up from nothing.
With these conferences having up to 20 teams each, they will eventually split to regional pods. That will be the next step.
BC will go indy and put there sports back in the Big east with the other catholic schools.
if that is the case it will get to a G5 to the G4 or G3. You will see some shuffling of the Groups to get more regional once it's all said and done.
That's what should have been done long ago.
No matter how the cronies try and keep us down, there's one thing they cannot mess up - geography. We'll always have that in our favor.
There's not enough difference btwn most of the G5 that we should have conferences spread out from like New Jersey to New Mexico. Slice up the pie geographically, and see how much better off we all are.
That said, misplaced pride is going to be hard to overcome for a lot of schools.
Not that I necessarily go looking for these kind of articles, but I was surprised, well, not really, about the lack of mention of a certain program in any scenario...
I don’t trust anything from our leadership to make things better.
This is what .500 ball gets you.
This is what .500 ball gets you.
The weird thing is, there's never been more access to the elite for G5 programs. A G5 program is going to be in the playoff every year.
I guarantee that someone that's "left behind", someone like a Memphis, USF, Boise or even a WKU 🤮 someone like that is going to find itself the top ranked G5 champion, and get themselves invited into the dance. Yes, they'll probably get blasted in the 1st round, but maybe not (is the B12/ACC runner up that much better on any given Saturday than the best G5 program?). Do that for a couple of years, and that's a way to turn lemons into lemonade.
Some enterprising G5 is going to see the opportunity here and run with it.
I guarantee that someone that's "left behind", someone like a Memphis, USF, Boise or even a WKU 🤮 someone like that is going to find itself the top ranked G5 champion, and get themselves invited into the dance. Yes, they'll probably get blasted in the 1st round, but maybe not (is the B12/ACC runner up that much better on any given Saturday than the best G5 program?). Do that for a couple of years, and that's a way to turn lemons into lemonade.
Some enterprising G5 is going to see the opportunity here and run with it.
Yes, but doesn't that structure end in 2026? I could be wrong, but if that's the case after that is when it will all change and I think the top 3 conferences break off and do their own thing.
You do have to wonder in this future state that even being a part of the Big10 or SEC, it's going to be tough to crack the top tier because of so many teams in each conference, NIL, etc. How can a programs like Miss. State, Missouri, South Carolina, Indiana, Minnesota, Iowa, etc. EVER come close to cracking the top? Do you think they will ever have a chance to win? No way. I don't think they even have a chance. It's going to be the same 5 teams from each conference every year.
Many of the Power League institutions appear to be perfectly fine being labeled tag along schools when it comes to football. Sharing big time money in the B1G or SEC has a way of taking away the pain of being a little brother to the Alabama, Georgia, Michigan or Ohio State's of the world in football. Besides many of them can always compete for national championships in baseball or basketball, aka Vanderbilt in baseball or South Carolina in women's basketball which always helps the fan base for those schools.
I think those middling schools will be key to keeping everything together. Let's face it, Vandy, Miss State, Indiana, Kansas - they're not going to be playing in the same stratosphere as the elite of the elite.
They need G5 to keep padding some wins. 7-5 at Vandy is a fine season, and that ain't happening without 2-4 G5 schools on the sched. Lots of those schools need to be kept happy.
Plus, I think there's a lot of legalities that would need to be untangled to just break off. I know that seems like an easy road (Alabama gets 8 of its buddies together and just tells everyone else to GTFO), but i really don't think it's that easy, nor do I think everyone that has a vote in the measure wants that.
I think they'll still throw a bone to the G5 and keep at least one spot open for a team that can claw its way up the rankings.
Agreed. It will change in '26. No one knows what that will look like yet and they will see how '24 goes before they even worry about it majorly.
I do think there will be seats at the table, but you are probably looking at it being seeded differently. I don't think there will be a breakaway even after the ACC implodes (which I don't see happening before 2030 at least). I used to but if it is, the B12 will be included. I think '26 will look like the SEC/B1G/B12/ACC champs all getting first round byes, and down from there. There's only going to be 9 conferences until the ACC is done, so they will still shoot to give the big ones an advantage.
The Rutgers and Vanderbilts will stay to help the Ohio States and Alabamas. You can't have Georgia playing 11 Alabamas.
I do think there will be seats at the table, but you are probably looking at it being seeded differently. I don't think there will be a breakaway even after the ACC implodes (which I don't see happening before 2030 at least). I used to but if it is, the B12 will be included. I think '26 will look like the SEC/B1G/B12/ACC champs all getting first round byes, and down from there. There's only going to be 9 conferences until the ACC is done, so they will still shoot to give the big ones an advantage.
The Rutgers and Vanderbilts will stay to help the Ohio States and Alabamas. You can't have Georgia playing 11 Alabamas.
