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Bingo. I just replied to Alan Farley saying that. Pick the best of the worst.two choices between the rock and the hard place
I appreciate all Alan has done for MT, but I hope his aversion to the MAC is not prevailing through the admin folks... it's a worst-case scenario if we are stuck in a garbage CUSA with travel to the middle of the New Mexico desert. It just baffles me that some folks would rather our reputation get trashed by being stuck in a conference with a recently D2 school and that is almost certainly going to disappear when WAC (and ASUN, if they do too) go FBS...Bingo. I just replied to Alan Farley saying that. Pick the best of the worst.
Bro, we ain't close to anyone now after the CUSA teams bolt. Us and WKU and that's it. Ohio is closer than La Tech and Texas and Floridia.The only reservation I have about the MAC is I wish it was a southern-based conference. It’ll to be weird to be associated with schools from NY, MI, IL, and OH and be the most southern (geographically) school, but I suppose just as weird as the speculated adds from TX and NM. But beggars can’t be choosers, and I’d appreciate the stability. And who knows what’ll happen when the SEC, Big 10, ACC, and PAC12 all break off from the NCAA? That may cause another realignment in the remaining schools left.
Bro, we ain't close to anyone now after the CUSA teams bolt. Us and WKU and that's it. Ohio is closer than La Tech and Texas and Floridia.
Don't think WVU will ever be in the AAC because of academics.West Virginia to the ACC, Memphis to the B12 and MT to the AAC. Probably will take 2 years but it’s going to happen….
Don't think WVU will ever be in the AAC because of academics.
There needs to be 3 options:
Best option: Carefully rebuild CUSA with a proper and well thought out expansion of FCS programs.
Worst option: Anything where were stuck in a hodgepodge of junk with UCONN and NMSU.
Make the best of a bad situation option: MAC
So the three year delta would be to give up about $19 million. Probably enough to buy out both coaches and build an indoor practice facility.
That's where the gamble comes in. See my post above. I'm just not sure the stability is worth giving up the chance to be better. Also, think about the fact it would take us 10 years to make the type of revenue we can bank in three. Going to the MAC is equivalent to what MT always does. Choose the mediocre option. Let's take the risk, build our facilities, and try use those next three years to get ourselves back on the map and attractive to other suitors.But what happens after year 3?
It would be a short term windfall - but is that worth trading for a stable home?
CUSA's dead. Turn down the MAC, and we're very likely to end up independent, FCS, or in a conference filled with Texas JUCO's.
And I have no confidence that they'd use the money for anything that would make a difference. Like I said in another post, they'll take that cash, re-pave the Tennis Courts, and then add a few easily attainable incentives to everyone's contract, and pat themselves on the back for a job well done.
Give me the scenario why if folds and then I can answer that.If the league folds, then what?
If you are in charge, i can buy it.That's where the gamble comes in. See my post above. I'm just not sure the stability is worth giving up the chance to be better. Also, think about the fact it would take us 10 years to make the type of revenue we can bank in two. Going to the MAC is equivalent to what MT always does. Choose the mediocre option. Let's take the risk, build our facilities, and try use those next three years to get ourselves back on the map and attractive to other suitors.
Also, this stability factor is also only a short term solution. MT in the MAC long term is not going to do anything for us. We will be stuck there and I see too many negative consequences by being in the MAC long term.
We can probably argue that M&M can't get us there, which is fair. But if we go to the MAC we're basically giving up at ever being anything.
The one thing you really have to take into consideration is would the stability, media exposure, and recruiting benefit enough to offset giving up $19 million over the next three years? I say no, because stability is the only thing you get. There is slight bump in being to be on ESPN but would be offset significantly by the recruiting impact. Bottom line is the enhanced exposure in the north wouldn't even come close to touching one years worth of those numbers much less over a three year period.
I'm not basing anything on the new C-USA other than collecting the revenue. And then looking to get out as soon as possible thereafter.I will say this, I think you are underestimating the impact ESPN has.
If you're an ESPN property, pretty much every game is going to be televised or streamed. If you're not, then you might as well not exist. CBS or whatever we have now is trash.
I also think you're overestimating the "southern"-ness of the new CUSA. If the expansion strategy that's rumored is true - there's going to be no Alabama, Georgia, NC or SC teams, 1 Florida team way the heck down in Miami area, no Mississippi, No Arkansas.
CUSA wants to be Texas based. There's going to be us, one team in Florida, one team in Virginia (i'm not sure I consider Virginia south anymore), and then Connecticut, West Texas and New Mexico, possibly west Missouri, northwest Louisiana. That's not our home. We'll be an outlier there as much as we will be in Ohio/Indiana/Etc.
CUSA leadership, and MT leadership, have not shown that they can do anything forward-leaning thus far.I'm not basing anything on the new C-USA other than collecting the revenue. And then looking to get out as soon as possible thereafter.
I'm all in for CUSA, the $20 million, focusing on MT, and positioning ourselves for the next expansion by taking all that $$$ and investing it into our coaching staffs, facilities, etc.
I'm not basing anything on the new C-USA other than collecting the revenue. And then looking to get out as soon as possible thereafter.
If I had more faith in A: our leadership and B: the conference, then I would say wait. Tske the money and build.
But I really don't see Judy making it work.
Because of this..
Say we take the money. And say we even build better FB facilities and win a few championships. Will that be enough to get pulled up?
It's a tough ?. Take stability that isn't the best conference for us but is stable. Or take the money and hope there is an opening in the future.
Say LaTech hits a stride the next few years. We take the $ and stay. They win 3 championships let's say and Memphis leaves. AAC takes them instead of us. Will we look back being stuck then and wish we took the MAC now?
I would almost prefer being FCS in a southern conference vs. being FBS in a northern conference. I just really think recruiting is going to be hard for our football program in the MAC. Impossibly hard.
I believe if the conference dissolves, the ncaa credits go to the schools that earned themDon't we walk away from a bunch of earned NCAA Tournament units too?
Lots of assumptions in that revenue distribution post. The nine departing members could easily present a financial sweetener to MT-WKU to vote to dissolve the conference. The nine departing save $36M at the expense of two buyouts and votes to dissolve the conference.
Lots of things can happen before the money is actually deposited or withdrawn from the bank account.
What was risky about that at the time? There wasn’t a single team in the r Sun Belt at the time that would have said no. Not a single one. I don’t think anyone calculated that we would end up with a commissioner worse than the one we were ridding ourselves of in Benson.Like we took a risk going to a wobbly CUSA? Look where we are now. The options are either go join a league with Tarleton State, a team that was just D2, that will almost certainly be dead within a couple of years -- or join a stable conference with historic and recent success. Seriously? Folks are acting like CUSA will definitely survive. Um, have y'all not been paying attention?
The fact that half of the teams were leaving was at least a little risky... wasn't it? It's not like we went to a stable conference, and we knew it wasn't lolWhat was risky about that at the time? There wasn’t a single team in the r Sun Belt at the time that would have said no. Not a single one. I don’t think anyone calculated that we would end up with a commissioner worse than the one we were ridding ourselves of in Benson.
The fact that half of the teams were leaving was at least a little risky... wasn't it? It's not like we went to a stable conference, and we knew it wasn't lol
Obviously not. Glad you recognize BOTH OF THOSE WERE RISKY.And the Sun Belt was? C'mon man.