MAC talk

[galojah]

Expansion talks heating up with MAC ADs, presidents this week

The MAC is looking to add Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee from Conference USA, according to a source.

www.detroitnews.com

MAC presidents met Monday to discuss the possible additions of Middle Tennessee and Western Kentucky from Conference USA, and athletic directors were set to meet Wednesday to further evaluate the plan, according to a source with direct knowledge of the situation.

Another day of browser refreshing.

 

[SpaceRaider]

MAC likely to add 2 Conference USA schools to expand to 14 teams, per report

The MAC appears to be getting bigger soon.

www.saturdaydownsouth.com

 

[SpaceRaider]

 

[SpaceRaider]

11/2: I WENT AHEAD AND ADDED ‘WKU HILLTOPPERS’ AND ‘MTSU BLUE RAIDERS’ TABS TO THE BLOG

The Mid-American Conference is “likely” to add Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee, reported Brett McMurphy of Action Network. The Mid-American Conference is “likely” to add Western K…

macfootballblog.com

 

[crposton]

At this point it does not matter what conference you are in or who you play. If you are not in a P5(4) conference, you will have zero chance at winning a national championship. We snub our nose at FCS schools, but at least they have a legit chance of winning national championships. The G5 is the FCS to the media and P5 conferences.

 

[Raiderclyde]

At this point it does not matter what conference you are in or who you play. If you are not in a P5(4) conference, you will have zero chance at winning a national championship. We snub our nose at FCS schools, but at least they have a legit chance of winning national championships. The G5 is the FCS to the media and P5 conferences.

Exactly!

We cannot afford to snub noses with anyone in FBS these days. Our body of work in FBS or last 23 years isn’t that deep or great aside for a brief moment in time with men’s basketball—a one or two hit wonder that has faded out in the wind as a nice consolation memory. The world has moved on considerably since 2016-18.

Look at the CFP rankings with Cincinnati being #2 in both major polls but only #6 in the CFP. When rankings are displayed this week, guess which one is shown? Guess where UTSA is with the other AP/Coaches Poll ranked teams this week at 8-0? P5 will ultimately be P4 soon and it’s a matter of being in a stable conference where the Blue Raiders can succeed at winning conference championships…necessarily television or streaming markets. The Midwest and Great Lakes has good exposure if we are able to utilize.

MT’s best chance at a NY-6 bowl or whatever it will be called in future knowing what we know today (and not pie in sky what if 5-years from now) is the MAC. Newbie FCS teams don’t help our cause nor is travel to three time zones across the country. Our AAC and Sun Belt chances are over no matter how we may whine. Sun Belt was in our vernacular 9-years ago and we weren’t happy there and we went with the big package and pretty wrapping paper only to get a mostly empty cardboard box with tissue paper.

From this day forward, athletics should be about winning our conference or seriously contending and providing the best experience possible for our student athletes to succeed in life and in life’s choices. That’s succes That means a conference move should make credible sense to track, womens sports, as well as the bell cows of 🏈 and 🏀 that generate money. The MAC is the only lifeboat available in FBS with seats available. The FCS lifeboat has less frills, less costs, and is an acknowledgment MT failed on the big stage—we become like the University of Idaho. Anyone heard how they have fared or faring with their program lately?

 

[SpaceRaider]

I love Northern Illinois fans talking about how they don't like adding 'directional' schools...

Speculation firing up on WKU, MTSU to MAC

The Dog Pound: The #1 Board for Northern Illinois University (NIU) Huskies sports on the internet.

csnbbs.com

 

[RaiderDoug]

I love Northern Illinois fans talking about how they don't like adding 'directional' schools...

Speculation firing up on WKU, MTSU to MAC

The Dog Pound: The #1 Board for Northern Illinois University (NIU) Huskies sports on the internet.

csnbbs.com

Directional Illinois doesn't like Directional Tennessee or Directional Kentucky because they're Directional.

Nice!

 

[JohnDavidBlue]

Space,

On that link, it gets better - How is it that the common person sees this but our leaders don't????? These are N. Illinois folks who don't know us well but can sniff out Massaro in an instant...

Post: #16 RE: Speculation firing up on WKU, MTSU to MAC I read this on Reddit and couldn’t believe without looking it up myself, but the MTSU head coach has an automatic contract extension and $100,000 salary increase clause in his contract for every year he gets 5 wins and an academic APR above 940. That would make him the second highest paid coach in the MAC with a 920k base salary, despite having a record of 14-50 against teams with winning records since 2006. If MTSU joins the MAC we might not have the worst AD in the conference anymore.

 

[Predarat]

I love Northern Illinois fans talking about how they don't like adding 'directional' schools...

Speculation firing up on WKU, MTSU to MAC

The Dog Pound: The #1 Board for Northern Illinois University (NIU) Huskies sports on the internet.

csnbbs.com

If they move Toledo to the East, put MT and WKU in the West and rename Ball State to Central Illinois they could rename the West Division to Directional Schools Division.

 

[SpaceRaider]

BTW, guys, I've completed a list of MAC message boards and pinned the post to the top. There may be more boards out there for each, if you find them first let me know and I will add them to that list.

 

[MidTennMtneer]

If they move Toledo to the East, put MT and WKU in the West and rename Ball State to Central Illinois they could rename the West Division to Directional Schools Division.

Lol.

I personally want them to move Bowling Green to the West and place us and WKU in the East. I'm partial to being in the same division as Ohio.
As said before, I'm selfish with travel. But honestly it probably would make sense to have us in the West. Unless they go the North/South route.

As long as the 100 Miles of Hate stays, I'm good.

 

[Predarat]

Dang, reading that Northern Illinois board, they are our Kindred Spirits.

 

[MT01]

FWIW. One of the C-USA posters who is an insider at Marshall. Speaking from experience too having been in the MAC. Again, just sharing FWIW. Not trying to change any hearts and minds.

If I’m middle and western I might think about staying. Better recruiting areas

Good point. Also have to think that "once you cross that line" there is no turning back. Just like with what happened with the Sunbelt. If they go MAC, they stay there forever because there is nowhere else for them to go.

Myself? I would rather keep it south of where they are now. Like you said....recruiting is a big deal. Also how about your alumni? Are they in Northern Ohio, Michigan etc? There are a lot of factors that come into play. Also....The MAC has been a stable league for many years but how much longer can that continue for them? Several schools in those regions are in bad financial shape.

Second post: You guys (WKU/MTSU) might end up regretting that move to the MAC (assuming you do move) over staying in CUSA There are few good schools in the MAC but you guys don't recruit those areas of Ohio, Michigan, Indiana etc. You will find out real quick that those football games at those schools are bitter cold and have no fans at most of those games. I can recall going to a lot of those games and there was more Marshall fans in the stands than what the home team had. Not a knock on the MAC, its just the truth. Add to the fact that most of that conference plays on Tuesday and Wednesday nights.....might get old quick for the WKU and MTSU fanbase.

 

[RaiderDoug]

FWIW. One of the C-USA posters who is an insider at Marshall. Speaking from experience too having been in the MAC. Again, just sharing FWIW. Not trying to change any hearts and minds.


Good point. Also have to think that "once you cross that line" there is no turning back. Just like with what happened with the Sunbelt. If they go MAC, they stay there forever because there is nowhere else for them to go.

Myself? I would rather keep it south of where they are now. Like you said....recruiting is a big deal. Also how about your alumni? Are they in Northern Ohio, Michigan etc? There are a lot of factors that come into play. Also....The MAC has been a stable league for many years but how much longer can that continue for them? Several schools in those regions are in bad financial shape.

Second post: You guys (WKU/MTSU) might end up regretting that move to the MAC (assuming you do move) over staying in CUSA There are few good schools in the MAC but you guys don't recruit those areas of Ohio, Michigan, Indiana etc. You will find out real quick that those football games at those schools are bitter cold and have no fans at most of those games. I can recall going to a lot of those games and there was more Marshall fans in the stands than what the home team had. Not a knock on the MAC, its just the truth. Add to the fact that most of that conference plays on Tuesday and Wednesday nights.....might get old quick for the WKU and MTSU fanbase.

All of this makes sense if the alternative option was a southeastern based conference where we had alumni and recruited as well.

But considering there's only 2 of those and neither wants us, the argument is moot.

 

[crposton]

Exactly!

We cannot afford to snub noses with anyone in FBS these days. Our body of work in FBS or last 23 years isn’t that deep or great aside for a brief moment in time with men’s basketball—a one or two hit wonder that has faded out in the wind as a nice consolation memory. The world has moved on considerably since 2016-18.

Look at the CFP rankings with Cincinnati being #2 in both major polls but only #6 in the CFP. When rankings are displayed this week, guess which one is shown? Guess where UTSA is with the other AP/Coaches Poll ranked teams this week at 8-0? P5 will ultimately be P4 soon and it’s a matter of being in a stable conference where the Blue Raiders can succeed at winning conference championships…necessarily television or streaming markets. The Midwest and Great Lakes has good exposure if we are able to utilize.

MT’s best chance at a NY-6 bowl or whatever it will be called in future knowing what we know today (and not pie in sky what if 5-years from now) is the MAC. Newbie FCS teams don’t help our cause nor is travel to three time zones across the country. Our AAC and Sun Belt chances are over no matter how we may whine. Sun Belt was in our vernacular 9-years ago and we weren’t happy there and we went with the big package and pretty wrapping paper only to get a mostly empty cardboard box with tissue paper.

From this day forward, athletics should be about winning our conference or seriously contending and providing the best experience possible for our student athletes to succeed in life and in life’s choices. That’s succes That means a conference move should make credible sense to track, womens sports, as well as the bell cows of 🏈 and 🏀 that generate money. The MAC is the only lifeboat available in FBS with seats available. The FCS lifeboat has less frills, less costs, and is an acknowledgment MT failed on the big stage—we become like the University of Idaho. Anyone heard how they have fared or faring with their program lately?

I still don't want to be in the MAC at all. I sometimes would rather drop down to FCS in football and have a chance to win a national title. FBS means nothing if you are left out of the playoff no matter what you do. CUSA, MAC, AAC, SBC, and MWC might as well be FCS the way they are treated.

 

[BlueSioux]

I still don't want to be in the MAC at all. I sometimes would rather drop down to FCS in football and have a chance to win a national title. FBS means nothing if you are left out of the playoff no matter what you do. CUSA, MAC, AAC, SBC, and MWC might as well be FCS the way they are treated.

My Hot Take!
Ya, I don't know why so many on this board on anti-FCS. This is not the same FCS as it was during the I-AA days as the top 30 teams can often compete if not beat the bottom third of FBS. Additionally, FCS offers a true playoff where anyone has a chance to win a National Championship. The best MTSU can do in the MAC is get a New Year's Day bowl. What is the worst than can happen (poor attendance? Few National TV games? Reduction in talent?) oh wait this already occurs. I wouldn't go back to the OVC, but SoCon

 

[Noogaraider1]

I still don't want to be in the MAC at all. I sometimes would rather drop down to FCS in football and have a chance to win a national title. FBS means nothing if you are left out of the playoff no matter what you do. CUSA, MAC, AAC, SBC, and MWC might as well be FCS the way they are treated.

There is a reason why FCS schools are (mostly) clamoring to get into the FBS.

 

[GeeMel]

I do know one person down the street here in Rutherford County in the Rock Springs area who has a big confederate flag on the wall of his garage and he is not happy about this "MAC" thing. He called them Yankee carpetbaggers, come south to make money off our beloved southern college. His name is Domer Napsnider. This what you have to understand about Domer. The only sports he knows anything about are nascar and cage fighting. He won't even go bass fishing. It's not redneck enough for him. But the root of his salty bitterness is that his great-great-great-grand-pappy died for the confederate flag. Sort of. Great-great-great-grand-pappy Napsnider died in a terrible cross burning accident. He accidently lit his robe on fire while attempting to smoke a cigar to celebrate the assassination of Lincoln. He was 19 year old and left behind a 15 year old wife and seven kids.

While ole Domer is the first to admit he knows nothing about college sports, he views this "MAC" thing as yankees crapping on the memory of Great-great-great-grand-pappy Napsnider.

 

[BlueSioux]

There is a reason why FCS schools are (mostly) clamoring to get into the FBS.

Because everyone things grass is greener on the other side

 

[middletn11]

I still don't want to be in the MAC at all. I sometimes would rather drop down to FCS in football and have a chance to win a national title. FBS means nothing if you are left out of the playoff no matter what you do. CUSA, MAC, AAC, SBC, and MWC might as well be FCS the way they are treated.

Once the P4 break away from the NCAA, maybe the remaining six conferences will realign and have their own championship.

 

[blueraiderJT]

There is a reason why FCS schools are (mostly) clamoring to get into the FBS.

Go read what SHSU fans are saying about going to CUSA. They ain't happy.

 

[bluefutcpa]

There is no way I want to be in the newly configured CUSA with the current TV deal. Who cares about the win fall of money. It’s not like that cash will be used for facilitaties or enhancing the student experience. I miss the old rivalries of Troy and Arkansas State. If I could have a deal where Troy/WKU/MTSU and Arkstate joined the MAC I would be a happy man.

 

[RaiderDoug]

My Hot Take!
Ya, I don't know why so many on this board on anti-FCS. This is not the same FCS as it was during the I-AA days as the top 30 teams can often compete if not beat the bottom third of FBS. Additionally, FCS offers a true playoff where anyone has a chance to win a National Championship. The best MTSU can do in the MAC is get a New Year's Day bowl. What is the worst than can happen (poor attendance? Few National TV games? Reduction in talent?) oh wait this already occurs. I wouldn't go back to the OVC, but SoCon

Speaking for myself, i've no interest in FCS.

FCS to me is like the NIT. There's simply no point to it. I don't view an FCS national title as an actual national title - they're just the kid who at the most crayons. Great.

Say what you will about our place in FBS - we might be at the end of the bench, but at least we're on the team.

You're probably not wrong when you say that there's a snowball's chance in Hades of us winning a true national title in FBS, but there's something to at least competing in the highest bracket in a nationally known conference on a major network against other schools with long traditions, high level facilities (in most cases), larger budgets and resources and access to far better players.

FCS is a glorified high school league, IMHO.

If the highest honor we can achieve is a NYD bowl - that's still preferable to winning an FCS national title. And as for day to day life in FCS - give me Ohio and Northern Illinois on ESPN all day over Wofford and Furman on....are they even on TV?

 

[MTsumner92]

This is all sad. We went from a future up and comer to this. We have a stupid contract with our current head coach to boot. Since we are switching conferences....does that mean we can re-do the contract?

 

[crposton]

Speaking for myself, i've no interest in FCS.

FCS to me is like the NIT. There's simply no point to it. I don't view an FCS national title as an actual national title - they're just the kid who at the most crayons. Great.

Say what you will about our place in FBS - we might be at the end of the bench, but at least we're on the team.

You're probably not wrong when you say that there's a snowball's chance in Hades of us winning a true national title in FBS, but there's something to at least competing in the highest bracket in a nationally known conference on a major network against other schools with long traditions, high level facilities (in most cases), larger budgets and resources and access to far better players.

FCS is a glorified high school league, IMHO.

If the highest honor we can achieve is a NYD bowl - that's still preferable to winning an FCS national title. And as for day to day life in FCS - give me Ohio and Northern Illinois on ESPN all day over Wofford and Furman on....are they even on TV?

Well, it doesn't matter if you think it is an actual national title or not. They do play on ESPN+ and top tier FCS programs are on TV about as much as we will be. The majority of our games in the MAC will still not be on TV. Maybe 3-4 throughout the year, but most will be streamed on ESPN+. To me there is nothing wrong with ESPN+. As long as I can watch the game I don't care. My TV is also streamed. I watch ESPN on the ESPN app on my Roku. That is the same thing that ESPN+ is on. I can assure you that James Madison and North Dakota State have much more respect in the college football world than the majority of G5 teams. We could only dream about having the number of NFL draft picks that North Dakota State has had recently. You may view it as a glorified high school league, but you could not be more wrong.

 

[MT Glenn]

I do know one person down the street here in Rutherford County in the Rock Springs area who has a big confederate flag on the wall of his garage and he is not happy about this "MAC" thing. He called them Yankee carpetbaggers, come south to make money off our beloved southern college. His name is Domer Napsnider. This what you have to understand about Domer. The only sports he knows anything about are nascar and cage fighting. He won't even go bass fishing. It's not redneck enough for him. But the root of his salty bitterness is that his great-great-great-grand-pappy died for the confederate flag. Sort of. Great-great-great-grand-pappy Napsnider died in a terrible cross burning accident. He accidently lit his robe on fire while attempting to smoke a cigar to celebrate the assassination of Lincoln. He was 19 year old and left behind a 15 year old wife and seven kids.

While ole Domer is the first to admit he knows nothing about college sports, he views this "MAC" thing as yankees crapping on the memory of Great-great-great-grand-pappy Napsnider.

You've made some good points. Unfortunately, this post contained none of them. It's nice to see meth use isn't just a southern thing.

 

[GeeMel]

You've made some good points. Unfortunately, this post contained none of them. It's nice to see meth use isn't just a southern thing.

Domer doesn't use meth. He was on opioids for a while but now he's over at Stonecrest on a ventilator fighting for his life because he refused to get vaccinated or wear a mask when he shopped at his favorite store (Tractor Supply). His QAnon friends told him to take some of his dog's heartworm preventative because it contained ivermectin and that would keep him from catching covid which they also said was a hoax and didn't exist.

Poor Domer. He's always been a bit on the gullible side. Now it's going to bite him in the a55 once and for all. He used to eat paste in first grade because a kid told him it would taste like vanilla ice cream.

Bless his heart.

 

[mtfblue]

Speaking for myself, i've no interest in FCS.

FCS to me is like the NIT. There's simply no point to it. I don't view an FCS national title as an actual national title - they're just the kid who at the most crayons. Great.

Say what you will about our place in FBS - we might be at the end of the bench, but at least we're on the team.

You're probably not wrong when you say that there's a snowball's chance in Hades of us winning a true national title in FBS, but there's something to at least competing in the highest bracket in a nationally known conference on a major network against other schools with long traditions, high level facilities (in most cases), larger budgets and resources and access to far better players.

FCS is a glorified high school league, IMHO.

If the highest honor we can achieve is a NYD bowl - that's still preferable to winning an FCS national title. And as for day to day life in FCS - give me Ohio and Northern Illinois on ESPN all day over Wofford and Furman on....are they even on TV?

you're not on the team in FBS, you just the friend spending his money to look cool. MT couldn't beat Jackson State right now. Most FCS teams in the top 30 could play with most of the G5 teams. Look at the budgets of FCS schools in CAA easily the same if not higher than half the G5.

 

[RaiderDoug]

Well, it doesn't matter if you think it is an actual national title or not. They do play on ESPN+ and top tier FCS programs are on TV about as much as we will be. The majority of our games in the MAC will still not be on TV. Maybe 3-4 throughout the year, but most will be streamed on ESPN+. To me there is nothing wrong with ESPN+. As long as I can watch the game I don't care. My TV is also streamed. I watch ESPN on the ESPN app on my Roku. That is the same thing that ESPN+ is on. I can assure you that James Madison and North Dakota State have much more respect in the college football world than the majority of G5 teams. We could only dream about having the number of NFL draft picks that North Dakota State has had recently. You may view it as a glorified high school league, but you could not be more wrong.

I admit my views are heavily influenced by perception.

But despite that, while a few FCS programs are certainly quality programs, by and large teams and conferences in the FCS are less talented, play with less resources, play less meaningful games, play on harder to find networks if at all, with less fans and less general interest.

We're ultimately an entertainment based business - all the "but North Dakota State has draft picks" in the world is still not going to want to make me turn on MTSU vs Mercer on ESPN+.

Besides, if things are that equal between the top of FCS and bottom of FBS - why not choose the bigger stage?

There's 3 likely outcomes for us if we stay FBS:

1. We do well in the MAC, rebuild our program and support and $$$'s - there's no reason we can't find ourselves eventually in a position to maybe transition back to the Sunbelt/AAC when/if more moves are made.

2. We continue to Stockstill it up and make no waves. At the very least, we park ourselves in a stable, historic conference with bowl tie ins, peer programs, and become a regular on MAC-tion. Still better than playing Tennessee Tech in front of friends and family.

3. Suppose P5 really does break off from G5 (4?) - if we drop down to FCS, then that's essentially going to be third tier football. We'd be better off in that second tier.

Nothing good comes from quitting and dropping to FCS.

 

[RaiderDoug]

you're not on the team in FBS, you just the friend spending his money to look cool. MT couldn't beat Jackson State right now. Most FCS teams in the top 30 could play with most of the G5 teams. Look at the budgets of FCS schools in CAA easily the same if not higher than half the G5.

I couldn't name you a single team in CAA to even go look at their budgets if I wanted.

I'm wasn't a MAC fan, but i've known plenty of good MAC teams in the past.

 

[mtfblue]

I couldn't name you a single team in CAA.

JMU, Delaware, Towson(testing school for under amour), Richmond, Elon, Villanova, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Maine, Albany and Stony Brook, William and Mary. I believe JMU's budget is around 52 million. All but Maine and Rhode Island have better facilities then MT

 

[RaiderDoug]

JMU, Delaware, Towson(testing school for under amour), Richmond, Elon, Villanova, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Maine, Albany and Stony Brook, William and Mary. I believe JMU's budget is around 52 million. All but Maine and Rhode Island have better facilities then MT

Good for them.

I watch a lot of college football. I have never, not once, in 27 years that I've been watching the sport - seen a single game of any one of those teams.

And again, if all things really are equal, then why not FBS?

 

[BlueSioux]

Good for them.

I watch a lot of college football. I have never, not once, in 27 years that I've been watching the sport - seen a single game of any one of those teams.

And again, if all things really are equal, then why not FBS?

I mean, there are several FBS teams I have never watched not sure what your point is here. As for talent, there are 120 players on NFL rosters from the MAC, CUSA, and Sunbelt combined and 97 from the FCS. I wouldnt say the talent difference is that significant.

Attendance: 2019 CUSA averaged 18,929 and MAC 15,530...meanwhile 10 FCS schools had attendance over 16,000. Remember in 2018 when there were zero MTSU home games with more than 10,000.

 

[MTTim]

Good for them.

I watch a lot of college football. I have never, not once, in 27 years that I've been watching the sport - seen a single game of any one of those teams.

And again, if all things really are equal, then why not FBS?

I agree. Why are FCS players not playing at a higher level. There are some diamonds in the rough and some are there for academic reasons. Most were not recruited by FBS programs. The budget argument is weak in FCS. Your still getting players that were not FBS ready.

 

[crposton]

Good for them.

I watch a lot of college football. I have never, not once, in 27 years that I've been watching the sport - seen a single game of any one of those teams.

And again, if all things really are equal, then why not FBS?

I don't really want to drop down, but I ask why be FBS if all we can do is win our conference and play in a bowl that does not lead to a championship? Why play at a level where you are left out of competing for the top prize no matter how good you are or what you do?

 

[crposton]

I agree. Why are FCS players not playing at a higher level. There are some diamonds in the rough and some are there for academic reasons. Most were not recruited by FBS programs. The budget argument is weak in FCS. Your still getting players that were not FBS ready.

I would say a good portion of FCS players on the top 25% of FCS teams were recruited by G5 schools. If I were a G5/FCS caliber player and I had to choose between playing for MTSU or James Madison I am pretty sure James Madison would be much more appealing in many ways. College Gameday has been to James Madison, nicer facilities, better program, etc. Winning an FCS national title is better than winning CUSA and playing in the New Orleans Bowl.

 

[sWiley]

JMU's athletic budget is very impressive. They are going to be a solid FBS program.

 

[ewglenn]

Well, it doesn't matter if you think it is an actual national title or not. They do play on ESPN+ and top tier FCS programs are on TV about as much as we will be. The majority of our games in the MAC will still not be on TV. Maybe 3-4 throughout the year, but most will be streamed on ESPN+. To me there is nothing wrong with ESPN+. As long as I can watch the game I don't care. My TV is also streamed. I watch ESPN on the ESPN app on my Roku. That is the same thing that ESPN+ is on. I can assure you that James Madison and North Dakota State have much more respect in the college football world than the majority of G5 teams. We could only dream about having the number of NFL draft picks that North Dakota State has had recently. You may view it as a glorified high school league, but you could not be more wrong.

This isn’t even a discussion, the MAC has way more tv exposure than the entire FCS. Nationally televised games this week below.

MAC this week (5 games):
ESPN2 two games
ESPNU two games
CBSSN one game

Entire FCS this week(63 games):
ESPN2 one
ESPNU one game

 

[mtfblue]

I agree. Why are FCS players not playing at a higher level. There are some diamonds in the rough and some are there for academic reasons. Most were not recruited by FBS programs. The budget argument is weak in FCS. Your still getting players that were not FBS ready.

Some aren't highly recruited, some are FBS ready, some want to get all the film they can and play from day 1. I can speak for my son, he had FBS offers from MAC schools and his mom wouldn't let him go because of distance and being able to come to games. When he had full rides at all school. He got a late offer after he enrolled for the spring from Memphis, because the new dline coach had recruited him while at Buffalo. Your argument is weak, there are a lot FBS players that aren't ready for FBS either and they never contribute. I see scouts at FCS schools just as much as G5 schools.