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FB RECRUITING MTSU is first in CUSA for recruiting

For what it's worth, the defense has been in position a lot more since Brian Stewart went up to the box for games. Now they could not tackle a soul against Jax State tho. Not sold on Bodie Reeder yet but I thought he had a good gameplan against Jax State. Still wait and see for me.

There's stuff to go back on for Stewart and I think players are getting better individually altho not consistent and together at all on defense. Offense idk

Defense has been a little better but I just don’t think Stewart has it anymore. Go back and look at his previous stops. Tell me the last time he worked somewhere and they had a good defense.

And it’s not a trick question, I actually did this and couldn’t find the answer. His defenses have been torched everywhere he’s been. He’s washed. We do have Mason at least who should be able to keep us respectable on defense but so far that’s not the case.

With Bodie I’m open to a little more wait and see. Offense typically takes a little longer to gel and pick up and we basically have no OL so it’s essentially impossible to gauge anything. Still not a fan of some of his play calling, in particular near the red zone, but it’s admittedly hard/impossible when you can’t block anyone up front. My major concern with the O revolves more around the philosophy. Mason has been talking about playing bully ball here and I just don’t see how that can work.
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FB RECRUITING MTSU is first in CUSA for recruiting

All great points. The high school recruiting has definitely improved. That's one piece of the puzzle with about 99 others to fill. I still remember Andy McCollum winning every recruiting day/class, even signing a 5 star player out of Florida one year, only to go 4-8ish year after year....

Different times now for sure, but I'm still gravely worried about these coordinators we have on staff.
For what it's worth, the defense has been in position a lot more since Brian Stewart went up to the box for games. Now they could not tackle a soul against Jax State tho. Not sold on Bodie Reeder yet but I thought he had a good gameplan against Jax State. Still wait and see for me.

There's stuff to go back on for Stewart and I think players are getting better individually altho not consistent and together at all on defense. Offense idk

FB RECRUITING MTSU is first in CUSA for recruiting

The guys they have brought in are very good. Ratings for G5 guys are very iffy. WKU has a higher average but only 7 commits which is a decently sized red flag with all they are losing. But even then the three above MTSU, are Liberty/WKU (makes sense) and FIU which has full access to Florida (entire class is in-state).

I'm a lot more concerned with the players traits and who they competed with for each recruit and they have really made some statements this year. They have done a good job of getting who they want no matter what. Did miss out on top QB target tho.

- RB DJ Taylor (beat out Auburn and Vanderbilt)
- WR Neo Clifton (beat out Liberty and JMU)
- OT Kyle Larkin (Liberty and WKU)
- OL Otto van Rensburg (WKU)
- DT Archie Roseman (beat Vandy out head-to-head)
- DT Anthony Smith (beat out Oregon State)
- LB Joel Lowenberg (beat out Cincinnati, Houston, and Wake Forest as of right now)
- LB Micah Smith (beat out Liberty)
- Pushing for TE Aaron Mattingly who has a nice offer list as well.

In terms of development, you're right that remains to be seen. For what it's worth they have done great with the young guys so far in my opinion. Zach Clayton, Shakai Woods have been really good lately up front. Jordan Thompson still needs to be more consistent but is getting there at linebacker. They have strong track records as well so we shall see. I agree that's the big question though

All great points. The high school recruiting has definitely improved. That's one piece of the puzzle with about 99 others to fill. I still remember Andy McCollum winning every recruiting day/class, even signing a 5 star player out of Florida one year, only to go 4-8ish year after year....

Different times now for sure, but I'm still gravely worried about these coordinators we have on staff.

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No issue with you using facts and objectively proving your opinion as valid. It took KD 10 years to do the above and you're screaming at a HC that nearly did it year 5 and has a roster to do it this year.


Bookmarked. I'll prove this point when the season gets going.


Talk about "come off the bench this year and do anything". Bookmarked.


You have 2 new starters in Lands and Mostafa. If you want to reinsert Weston as a third because he didn't play last year, further disproving your narrative this is the same team as last year.

I completely understand your viewpoint on the matter, genuinely. I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment that he shouldn't be the coach here past year 3. But the constant goal post moving to compare him to Kermit Davis is ridiculous. It is CLEAR you have revisionist history on KD. It took him 10 years to get a "transfer POY superstar". AND it wasn't until LaRon Dendy that KD started to recruit JuCo/P4 heavily and started his 7 year tear before he took the Ole Miss job.

You are entitled to your opinion but you lose all credibility when you stand on a hypocritical basis. 10 years to win a conference championship. 10 years to get a SBC POY. 11 years to win 70% of games.

I want to win championships, I want to beat WKU, I want to be in the NCAAT. We haven't done those 3 things to my liking either. But it is so hard to empathize with your viewpoints when you literally just make stuff up and you're just mad enough to confirm your bias.

I was calling for Kermit to be fired well before he went on his run. If you were around then you would know that. I'm sure the posts still exist if you're that curious. I yelled about it for YEARS, just as I have for McDevitt. Kermit should have been fired well before he became a great coach for us. 10 years is too long. Same goes for McDevitt. He should have been fired after year 3 and most certainly shouldn't be extended next year unless there is an absolute herculean, record setting type of season. Who the hell keeps failing coaches around for a decade? ESPECIALLY in the current day landscape....

With that being said, now...in 2024..I don't care how long it took Kermit to go on his run. He did it and he proved that it could be done. IIRC he had to deal with some sanctions when he took the job (not 100% sure on this but I think so) but he still should have been fired. By the way, don't compare Kermit's ineffectiveness to Mcdevitt's. McDevitt took our basketball program on it's worse 3 year stretch in the history of the program after he was hired. Kermit's teams were always at least decent, competitive with WKU, and sometimes close to winning the conference, which made it all the more maddening. Kermit had some very unfortunate injuries/player retirements that kept him from those championships (That's the only reason he got more time, his teams were actually close despite those circumstances). Those things eventually evened out and Kermit took care of business. That's simply not the case of what's going on here with Nick...He's had 1 respectable season out of 6 with several just putrid teams. Unacceptable. Kermits "bad" teams would have wiped the floor with any of McDevitt's teams.

Kermit proved what was possible here at MT, regardless of how long it took him. We pay well here now compared to other G5's. Very well, actually. And MT did not always use to be one of the highest paying G5's out there. Kermit was paid very poorly, by comparison, when initially hired on but after his success he turned MT into a well paying job (McDevitt should thank him for setting him up for life.....). With McDevitt, we are not getting even close to what we are paying for. Every year this team and staff is getting schooled by coaching staffs with 1/3rd the pay and a quarter of our budget. It'll happen again this year too just you watch. UNACCEPTABLE for a coach that's been here over half a decade. End of story.

And bookmark all you want. I'll bookmark it too and we can gladly bump this after another failure of a season. The starters and rotation of this team is going to be the majority of players who have already been here. We both know that and you trying to posture otherwise is disingenuous at best. The new transfers brought in are not even close to being enough to get this team over the hump. You seem to forget this team won 1 road game last year and was 12-19 against D1 competition. Who exactly do you think is going to make some huge difference for us? Does this coaching staff have a record of coaching players up and players improving season-by-season at MT? (Rhetorical question)

FB RECRUITING MTSU is first in CUSA for recruiting

I haven't watched other conference team's classes yet but I am pretty confident overall in MTSU class this season, especially after seeing a lot of them in-person again this year. Filled a ton of needs too.

DJ gives you a complete, dynamic back with size you need. Neo gives you a physical outside receiver that will be needed after next year. Ben adds more speed and versatility to the group at WR. Kyle Larkin is probably your future LT. Otto van Rensburg and Bo Bryan are 6'4 guards who are physical and athletic. Anthony Smith and Archie Roseman are MASSIVE DT that multiple power 4 teams wanted, including multiple SEC for Roseman. Linebacker got two dynamic playmakers that are leaders of arguably the two best defenses in the state. Haven't watched too much of Camari Hall at safety yet but he has been a playmaker for one of the best high school programs in the country during his senior season.

FB RECRUITING MTSU is first in CUSA for recruiting

Fourth by average. When compared apples to apples I don't value more players. What matters is a) how good are the guys you have committed/signed and b) what's your staff's application and capability for development.

Mason needs time. No doubt. But let's not pretend he has the number one class right now. We can express appreciation and even hope for what he's doing on the trail - especially in state. That has me impressed. But let's not start putting lipstick on yet.
The guys they have brought in are very good. Ratings for G5 guys are very iffy. WKU has a higher average but only 7 commits which is a decently sized red flag with all they are losing. But even then the three above MTSU, are Liberty/WKU (makes sense) and FIU which has full access to Florida (entire class is in-state).

I'm a lot more concerned with the players traits and who they competed with for each recruit and they have really made some statements this year. They have done a good job of getting who they want no matter what. Did miss out on top QB target tho.

- RB DJ Taylor (beat out Auburn and Vanderbilt)
- WR Neo Clifton (beat out Liberty and JMU)
- OT Kyle Larkin (Liberty and WKU)
- OL Otto van Rensburg (WKU)
- DT Archie Roseman (beat Vandy out head-to-head)
- DT Anthony Smith (beat out Oregon State)
- LB Joel Lowenberg (beat out Cincinnati, Houston, and Wake Forest as of right now)
- LB Micah Smith (beat out Liberty)
- Pushing for TE Aaron Mattingly who has a nice offer list as well.

In terms of development, you're right that remains to be seen. For what it's worth they have done great with the young guys so far in my opinion. Zach Clayton, Shakai Woods have been really good lately up front. Jordan Thompson still needs to be more consistent but is getting there at linebacker. They have strong track records as well so we shall see. I agree that's the big question though

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How many championships? Regular season? Tournament?

NIT appearances? NCAA appearances?
No issue with you using facts and objectively proving your opinion as valid. It took KD 10 years to do the above and you're screaming at a HC that nearly did it year 5 and has a roster to do it this year.

Hilarious if you think the players he brought in will actually come off the bench and do anything.
Bookmarked. I'll prove this point when the season gets going.

Tre Green is going to be a good player and taking a flyer on the Hall kid certainly seems worth it. J. Johnson plays so hard so it's hard not to like him but there's a clear ceiling there. Not much else excites me.
Talk about "come off the bench this year and do anything". Bookmarked.

Pretty much all the same starters except at the 5 position.
You have 2 new starters in Lands and Mostafa. If you want to reinsert Weston as a third because he didn't play last year, further disproving your narrative this is the same team as last year.

I completely understand your viewpoint on the matter, genuinely. I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment that he shouldn't be the coach here past year 3. But the constant goal post moving to compare him to Kermit Davis is ridiculous. It is CLEAR you have revisionist history on KD. It took him 10 years to get a "transfer POY superstar". AND it wasn't until LaRon Dendy that KD started to recruit JuCo/P4 heavily and started his 7 year tear before he took the Ole Miss job.

You are entitled to your opinion but you lose all credibility when you stand on a hypocritical basis. 10 years to win a conference championship. 10 years to get a SBC POY. 11 years to win 70% of games.

I want to win championships, I want to beat WKU, I want to be in the NCAAT. We haven't done those 3 things to my liking either. But it is so hard to empathize with your viewpoints when you literally just make stuff up and you're just mad enough to confirm your bias.

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I disagree with Wiley on a lot of things but I wouldn’t question his fandom. I also will agree with his stance on a contract extension.

CNM had a breakout year in 21-22 and has regressed in the following seasons. He has loaded this team to win now and I think it is reasonable for an AD to call it how it is.

CNM is doing what he needs to in order to win. I don’t blame him for it, but to say 20 wins and no postseason success is enough for an extension is terrible management. In business, if you take a huge risk, it better pay off. Coaching is no different. CNM took a chance and if doesn’t work he needs to go.
I personally think in this lame duck year there shouldn't be a minimum for any extension. The year (and his previous years) should be measured in totality. Did he beat WKU? What was our RPI? Road wins? Attendance? Etc.

Granted I would've moved on already, but setting a minimum for a single year is asking for trouble and gives zero incentive for future.

I'd have minimums in a contract over rolling 3yr periods, such as minimum avg of 20-22 wins and no more than one losing season during the period.
But CM doesn't work that way.

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I disagree with Wiley on a lot of things but I wouldn’t question his fandom. I also will agree with his stance on a contract extension.

CNM had a breakout year in 21-22 and has regressed in the following seasons. He has loaded this team to win now and I think it is reasonable for an AD to call it how it is.

CNM is doing what he needs to in order to win. I don’t blame him for it, but to say 20 wins and no postseason success is enough for an extension is terrible management. In business, if you take a huge risk, it better pay off. Coaching is no different. CNM took a chance and if doesn’t work he needs to go.

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I remember a pack the house night vs. WKU a long time ago. Probably 15 years or so. Can't remember the specific occasion but I believe it had something to do with Dr. Walker. Just a crazy crowd and night, whole place was basically full.
Most recent big crowd I remember was one of Kermit's last games. Winning the championship & beating WKU at home. Another great night.

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I want to get back to the type of crowds we had like the NIT Minnesota game. That was as loud as I’ve ever heard Murphy Center. What a night. 10,500+

I remember a pack the house night vs. WKU a long time ago. Probably 15 years or so. Can't remember the specific occasion but I believe it had something to do with Dr. Walker. Just a crazy crowd and night, whole place was basically full.

Can we ever get back to that ?

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Say what you want about Wiley’s points, but understand he has a great Blue Raider passion for the athletics programs. Don’t question his motivations. Frankly it’s not how I handle things, but I think we could use a few more like him. MT fans/alumni that truly hold people accountable for their choices. I think WKU has that, and that’s why they touch the gutter then get out of it.

I appreciate it. I know I'm harsh and rub many the wrong way....but there's a reason. So many throughout our fan base, in my opinion, are non-vocal or just flat out too soft on these coaches/administrators. And that's fine if that's how people want to approach it. I understand for many this is just casual whatever, and it is for me too, but it's hard because of the incompetence that has festered for so long. Hard to believe it's been two decades (or more). I should just throw in the towel and walk away like so many others have....but I really do want to see MTSU succeed.

Definitely feels futile though. No support from the city or county, terrible leadership in Cope, incompetent board, and on and on. Did you see the Murfreesboro mayor, Shane McFarland, giving the "keys to the city" recently and welcoming UTK's baseball coach to Murfreesboro? Utterly despicable. MTSU is totally taken for granted, by every single person associated with it, from the local town to the president to the AD to the coaches.....does anyone truly care about it? Or is it all self-serving interests and taking care of your own skin?

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Say what you want about Wiley’s points, but understand he has a great Blue Raider passion for the athletics programs. Don’t question his motivations. Frankly it’s not how I handle things, but I think we could use a few more like him. MT fans/alumni that truly hold people accountable for their choices. I think WKU has that, and that’s why they touch the gutter then get out of it.

FB RECRUITING MTSU is first in CUSA for recruiting

Fourth by average. When compared apples to apples I don't value more players. What matters is a) how good are the guys you have committed/signed and b) what's your staff's application and capability for development.

Mason needs time. No doubt. But let's not pretend he has the number one class right now. We can express appreciation and even hope for what he's doing on the trail - especially in state. That has me impressed. But let's not start putting lipstick on yet.

Exactly. Average star rating is what matters if we're going to look at this objectively. I've never understood why teams with more recruits get a higher ranking even though average star rating is lower. So dumb.

High school recruiting has definitely improved for us. But how much of that is the tailwinds from having a new coaching staff + so many programs signing fewer HS players? By the sheer numbers our HS recruiting SHOULD improve since fewer HS players are looked at now by the big fish. They just let programs like us sort through it all and once the cream rises to the top...well....you know what happens.

G5 is now the Glorified JUCO 5.

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I'm all for moving CNM along. Bottom line as much as many people like him as a person he just doesn't have the coaching chops for a top 10-13 basketball league. The one thing I will disagree on is I don't believe this administration has the "chops" to put a 25 game victory quota on him, plus a CUSA tourney championship, + an NCAA victory to come back as coach next year. When I stated 19-20 victories will probably save his job, that was looking from an administration perspective not my own personal feelings. However if you think the administration has put that high a quota on CNM this year to save his job I salute you. Personally I'm a bit pessimistic that degree of success will be needed for McPhee & Massaro to bring him back at season's end.
Whatever the outcome we'll likely know by next April.

Ha, no. Those morons have probably already extended him before the season even started. I was simply stating my beliefs. We are entering year 7 after 6 years of nothing burgers. "If you ain't first, you're last"......Well, we've never been first with McDevitt.

It's time to be first or get the F out of dodge.
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Fourth by average. When compared apples to apples I don't value more players. What matters is a) how good are the guys you have committed/signed and b) what's your staff's application and capability for development.

Mason needs time. No doubt. But let's not pretend he has the number one class right now. We can express appreciation and even hope for what he's doing on the trail - especially in state. That has me impressed. But let's not start putting lipstick on yet.
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