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I understand the complaints and agree with a lot of them but my point is that I think a lot of folks are over the top with it because they think nothing will be done so they’re basically shouting into an empty void.I agree with some of your take, with a few exceptions.
1. I have read the interactions with players and I haven’t seen anyone attacking them. Disagree, yes. However, I think you are incorrect in saying fans attacked former players.
2. I also disagree with the take to not voice your disapproval. Every fan base in the country does this. Withholding money, attendance & voicing concerns are our tools to affect change. At this point, I don’t want Stock to have a slightly better recruiting class to climb back up to .500 by beating bad teams. I want him gone and a new coaching staff recruiting. Look at the product 15 years in. Your argument is what people said at Mississippi State when Sly Croom was the coach before we got a new AD, canned Sly and brought in Dan Mullen. If by complaining I hurt Stock’s 2021 recruiting class, but it helps get a new coach (which helps long-term), then I will continue to complain.
I was told one on one to my face by the AD in November last year that “changes would be made but right at that moment his focus was to support the team to try and still get bowl eligible.”I understand the complaints and agree with a lot of them but my point is that I think a lot of folks are over the top with it because they think nothing will be done so they’re basically shouting into an empty void.
I don’t think that’s true for one. I’ve talked to some folks in the program and they absolutely hear it.
But two, it’s too early in the season for any decision to be made. Let’s get to the back half of the year - if nothing has changed on the field, I’d almost guarantee there will be changes made off of it.
I'd almost guarantee there will be changes made off of it.
I don’t think that’s true for one. I’ve talked to some folks in the program and they absolutely hear it.....
I'm sorry. I don't believe a word anyone says over there.
I understand the complaints and agree with a lot of them but my point is that I think a lot of folks are over the top with it because they think nothing will be done so they’re basically shouting into an empty void.
I don’t think that’s true for one. I’ve talked to some folks in the program and they absolutely hear it.
But two, it’s too early in the season for any decision to be made. Let’s get to the back half of the year - if nothing has changed on the field, I’d almost guarantee there will be changes made off of it.
There should have been a press conference called this morning. There is no reason to continue hoping this situation is going to get better. Stock needs to resign or be removed with Shafer installed as the interim head coach for the remainder of the season while we conduct a search.
This speaks volumes as to 7 woods interest (lack thereof) in a winning football program.I follow FCS closely and many of those programs have facilities more modern than MTSU and we are many times competing with those schools for recruits.
Question: what improvements have been done in regards to football facilities in the past 10 years?
As I mentioned in an earlier thread, my local D2 school at least has an indoor practice facility.
One other thing about this facilities debate. If it were so damn important, then that should have been more of a focus for Stockstill years ago when he negotiated this absurd contract he had. If his intent was to stay here long term, then he could have structured his contract in a way to take a little off the top that would have instead gone into a fund for facilities development. Instead, he took the cash. We made him the highest paid coach in Sun Belt Conference. There was a time he was the highest paid coach in C-USA. He also has had one of the largest pools of cash for assistant coaches. We’ve been paying coordinators $300K for years well before other G5 programs were doing that (especially outside of the AAC). Instead of focusing on the program’s future, he ensured his pockets and his buddy assistant’s pockets were taken care of. So, I don’t want to hear another damn thing about facilities. Stock knows we are a G5. He knows resources are limited and if you don’t win at a high level those donations and funding for other things like facilities aren’t going to come. Just by himself CRS has probably earned somewhere in the neighborhood north of $10 million in his MT tenure and not a single damn conference title to show for it. Just think about this. At schools like Northern Illinois and Western Michigan which have made BCS and Access Bowls, it would take those schools 20 to 25 years to match what we have paid Stockstill. Think about that. And just think how much more he’s going to receive from the state in pension money once he does retire given his number of years and his salary calculus.
The truth of the matter is MT leadership - regardless of how you feel about them and his lifetime contract - ponied up the cash to produce a championship program. If Stockstill wanted to ensure that money went to other means that he felt was necessary to win he’s had every opportunity to negotiate that. Instead, he looked out for #1 first and foremost, his buddies second, and program last out of those three. This is why there is no reason to feel sorry for Stock and this mess they have all created, which is why I have no problem calling for him to be fired (something I have never ever taken lightly). For those of you who know me you know that I would never call for someone’s career to be affected like this if we weren’t on the brink of disaster with no lifeboat in sight. In spite of seeing this coming for years, yesterday was the first time I sent Massaro a message about needing to go in a different direction.
"And just think how much more he's going to receive from the state in pension money once he does retire given his number of years and his salary calculus."
Not picking on you, MT01, but this is not the first time I've seen the erroneous implication that somehow taxpayers will be "on the hook" for our coaching staff's retirement once they retire.
Yes, because of their income level their retirement from the TCRS (Tennessee Consolidated Retirement System) will be substantial but that's because their mandatory contribution from their salary has been significant. They may or may not get all (could get more) they have paid into the TCRS depending upon how long they live in retirement. Basically, if I understand insurance, a lifetime annuity.
The TCRS is annually rated as one of the best funded and managed state retirement programs and one of the best pension plans nationally. It is highly unlikely that any state funds will be needed to supplement the plan in the foreseeable future.
If this year is the first year you called Stock to be fired, you are late.
Stock still at MT is currently 91-88 with a .508 percentage. That is if you count FCS school wins.
if you remove his FCS opponent win (because I don’t believe in padding your stats with schools you should beat), he is 83-88 for .485 win percentage. Get his ass out tonight. He is robbing this university blind.
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The fact no major corporation sponsors have stepped up to help improve athletic facilities on campus is a sign the whole program is a mess, including the BAA and Alumni Association.