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Is this your take or something more?

I'm sure he has a liaison within the program considering his work with GoMiddle. I know that myself and Casey and Hutton all did when we ran GoMiddle. Usually an assistant coach or director of operations selectively feeding information. I contend they always treated us like mushrooms, if you're familiar with the saying. So he's definitely heard a thing or two.

Also, just look at McDevitt's face and demeanor after the NIT loss. He was all smiles and cool as a cucumber. Not a worry in the world. I was more upset about the game and I'm a random fan a thousand miles away....

He knows he isn't going anywhere. Those fat paychecks will continue for mediocre results. And yes, 22 wins or whatever is mediocre when you are stacking your roster with all seniors and no regard for the future of the program and playing all G5 opponents.

Sad.

So damn sad what has become of this program.
 
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Yes of course. He went through those interviews just for fun. He asked for a private plane for game travel for fun. He considered tripling his salary for fun + no state taxes

His plan was to stay at UMBC the whole time!! I'm his friend you better believe me!
 
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Yes of course. He went through those interviews just for fun. He asked for a private plane for game travel for fun. He considered tripling his salary for fun + no state taxes

His plan was to stay at UMBC the whole time!! I'm his friend you better believe me!
Situation changed.. 2 words for you- Johns Hopkins
 
Situation changed.. 2 words for you- Johns Hopkins

I'm going to bite my tongue instead of saying what I want to say because I see what you are intimating at....

I'll just say this. That's one hell of a coincidence for that to come up during a 2-3 week job hunt when you didnt get the job
 
It is what it is.. both coaches were also being courted by at least one other program paying more than MTSU. Granted it is/was dead end bball program but still there’s more than just money that is considered by these guys..
 
Between the two of us MT01, only one of us is personal friends with Ryan.. but I’m sure you know more 🤡
Feel free to screen shot that text for us. You still don’t know a thing about me or who I am. SMH

Moreover the docs at Vandy are just as competent as Hopkins for that.
 
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I'm sure he has a liaison within the program considering his work with GoMiddle. I know that myself and Casey and Hutton all did when we ran GoMiddle. Usually an assistant coach or director of operations selectively feeding information. I contend they always treated us like mushrooms, if you're familiar with the saying. So he's definitely heard a thing or two.

Also, just look at McDevitt's face and demeanor after the NIT loss. He was all smiles and cool as a cucumber. Not a worry in the world. I was more upset about the game and I'm a random fan a thousand miles away....

He knows he isn't going anywhere. Those fat paychecks will continue for mediocre results. And yes, 22 wins or whatever is mediocre when you are stacking your roster with all seniors and no regard for the future of the program and playing all G5 opponents.

Sad.

So damn sad what has become of this program.
I haven’t gotten a firm yes but I’ve gotten enough info to highly doubt a change will happen. I want to say there is a zero percent chance it would happen but that would be based on piecing together a bunch of stuff. Without anything concrete I won’t say there’s no chance they make a change but I highly doubt it will happen.
 
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I haven’t gotten a firm yes but I’ve gotten enough info to highly doubt a change will happen. I want to say there is a zero percent chance it would happen but that would be based on piecing together a bunch of stuff. Without anything concrete I won’t say there’s no chance they make a change but I highly doubt it will happen.

Can never underestimate the stupidity and stupid reasons this administration will come up with for not making the right decision.
 
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It is what it is.. both coaches were also being courted by at least one other program paying more than MTSU. Granted it is/was dead end bball program but still there’s more than just money that is considered by these guys..

Since MandM won't tell us, what kind of extension did Coach McDevitt get? 2 more years, 2 years with an incentive for another such as making the NCAA tourney, or 3 years straight up? Or perhaps even more?
 
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Greg was a good guy but if he was that great of a coach why didn’t someone snatch him up? Just curious.
He wasn't a "good guy", he was an absolute spartan. He drove intense practices and kept our guys on edge to execute the game plan and not run out of juice when it mattered. He never got a lot of publicity for it but when he came to MT, things changed right away. In the 2011/12 season when he got here, we were night and day different. We beat the hell out of UCLA in their house that year. He was a big reason why that transformation happened. He also rubbed some folks the wrong way but to do what he did at MT, he had to.

Kermit doesn't do what he did without him. Kermit didn't take Greg to Ole Miss and what happened? He fell on his face. He would have been better than CNM. I have zero doubt of that.
 
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He wasn't a "good guy", he was an absolute spartan. He drove intense practices and kept our guys on edge to execute the game plan and not run out of juice when it mattered. He never got a lot of publicity for it but when he came to MT, things changed right away. In the 2011/12 season when he got here, we were night and day different. We beat the hell out of UCLA in their house that year. He was a big reason why that transformation happened. He also rubbed some folks the wrong way but to do what he did at MT, he had to.

Kermit doesn't do what he did without him. Kermit didn't take Greg to Ole Miss and what happened? He fell on his face. He would have been better than CNM. I have zero doubt of that.
I completely agree. A very bad missed opportunity.
 
It seems most just don't like Nick, in 7 years he has been to 2 post season tournaments, unlike Kermit's first 9 years only 1. Nick got screwed the 1st year with having to kick off guys and Kermit taking the recruiting class. The next season 2 season where Covid. So after all that, he got it going and had a CBI runner-up and season, a 19 win season, 14 win season best player tore his knee up early in the season, then bounced back with a 22 win season this year. It seems everyone forgets the grace Kermit had before Greg without any major national issues and his 1st day on the job having to kick 3 guys off. So that's why M&M won't fire Nick. I think needs to really find to natural shooters and 2 true PG's who can facilitate the offense without turning it over or having to be the primary guy. You saw that when Greg arrived and things changed.
 
It seems most just don't like Nick, in 7 years he has been to 2 post season tournaments, unlike Kermit's first 9 years only 1. Nick got screwed the 1st year with having to kick off guys and Kermit taking the recruiting class. The next season 2 season where Covid. So after all that, he got it going and had a CBI runner-up and season, a 19 win season, 14 win season best player tore his knee up early in the season, then bounced back with a 22 win season this year. It seems everyone forgets the grace Kermit had before Greg without any major national issues and his 1st day on the job having to kick 3 guys off. So that's why M&M won't fire Nick. I think needs to really find to natural shooters and 2 true PG's who can facilitate the offense without turning it over or having to be the primary guy. You saw that when Greg arrived and things changed.

This is such a piss poor comparison I don't even know where to begin.

First of all, the first CBI wasn't even played until 2008. The CIT came even later and then expanded to 32 teams. The point being, you cannot just simply state "post season tournaments" because Nick has had many more opportunities for post-season tournaments with the expansion of them all. The NIT isn't even the NIT anymore it's the tournament that all P5 schools reject. MT would not have even sniffed the NIT using its prior criteria.

You cannot directly compare Nick and Kermit using metrics alone. Different time periods, different circumstances.

Just use your eyes and brain and try to be logical here. Try to have some foresight. Consider the big picture thoughtfully and with intelligence.

You know damn well Nick McDevitt is not winning CUSA any time soon or doing anything meaningful at MT. He's had an opportunity to build 3 or 4 teams here in Murfreesboro and hasn't won anything meaningful during that time.

Nothing else needs to be seen. How is this not well understood ? Why is this even a discussion ?
 
This is such a piss poor comparison I don't even know where to begin.

First of all, the first CBI wasn't even played until 2008. The CIT came even later and then expanded to 32 teams. The point being, you cannot just simply state "post season tournaments" because Nick has had many more opportunities for post-season tournaments with the expansion of them all. The NIT isn't even the NIT anymore it's the tournament that all P5 schools reject. MT would not have even sniffed the NIT using its prior criteria.

You cannot directly compare Nick and Kermit using metrics alone. Different time periods, different circumstances.

Just use your eyes and brain and try to be logical here. Try to have some foresight. Consider the big picture thoughtfully and with intelligence.

You know damn well Nick McDevitt is not winning CUSA any time soon or doing anything meaningful at MT. He's had an opportunity to build 3 or 4 teams here in Murfreesboro and hasn't won anything meaningful during that time.

Nothing else needs to be seen. How is this not well understood ? Why is this even a discussion ?
I'm doing all of that, hell Kermit started in a much weaker league. So I guess a national emergency for 2 years and getting a gutted roster and recruiting class before working 48 hours didn't slow him down his first years. I have no bone to pick with either one of them. Facts are facts Kermit had 9 years before he took off, before that he was barely above .500 losing to SWAC teams in a weaker Sunbelt conference.
 
It seems most just don't like Nick, in 7 years he has been to 2 post season tournaments, unlike Kermit's first 9 years only 1. Nick got screwed the 1st year with having to kick off guys and Kermit taking the recruiting class. The next season 2 season where Covid. So after all that, he got it going and had a CBI runner-up and season, a 19 win season, 14 win season best player tore his knee up early in the season, then bounced back with a 22 win season this year. It seems everyone forgets the grace Kermit had before Greg without any major national issues and his 1st day on the job having to kick 3 guys off. So that's why M&M won't fire Nick. I think needs to really find to natural shooters and 2 true PG's who can facilitate the offense without turning it over or having to be the primary guy. You saw that when Greg arrived and things changed.

I know I said I spoke my peace, but anyway.

COVID is not a mulligan. Plenty of coaches took over then and have done great.

For those who started the same year as McD, look at Darien DeVries who eas hired at Drake and turned that into WVU and now Indiana. Or Dusty May at FAU, now Michigan.
And Medved at Colorado St. He's taken them to the NCAAs three times, including the last two, and just beat Memphis to move to the 2nd round.

I've mentioned how record wise Kermit was better in his first seven, but it isn't apples to apples. There is no building a team now. No giving a coach 4yrs, or more. That doesn't apply anymore. It's a year by year for hire game now and that is what this year was supposed to be, and it didn't even get us to the conf tourney champ.
 
I know I said I spoke my peace, but anyway.

COVID is not a mulligan. Plenty of coaches took over then and have done great.

For those who started the same year as McD, look at Darien DeVries who eas hired at Drake and turned that into WVU and now Indiana. Or Dusty May at FAU, now Michigan.
And Medved at Colorado St. He's taken them to the NCAAs three times, including the last two, and just beat Memphis to move to the 2nd round.

I've mentioned how record wise Kermit was better in his first seven, but it isn't apples to apples. There is no building a team now. No giving a coach 4yrs, or more. That doesn't apply anymore. It's a year by year for hire game now and that is what this year was supposed to be, and it didn't even get us to the conf tourney champ.
Like i said with wiley, the facts are the facts, Kermit had grace and M & M are using that same reasoning to keep Nick. I don't know either of them, it just seems some have an ax to grind and not understanding the logic, of why certain things haven't happened in the MBB program and probably not going to happen.
 
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Like i said with wiley, the facts are the facts, Kermit had grace and M & M are using that same reasoning to keep Nick. I don't know either of them, it just seems some have an ax to grind and not understanding the logic, of why certain things haven't happened in the MBB program and probably not going to happen.

There you go comparing Kermit to McDevitt again

I'm sorry, McDevitt will never be half the coach Kermit was and the comparisons fall very flat

Different circumstances, different time periods, and certainly different coaches...
 
There you go comparing Kermit to McDevitt again

I'm sorry, McDevitt will never be half the coach Kermit was and the comparisons fall very flat

Different circumstances, different time periods, and certainly different coaches...
My guy I'm not saying Kermit or McDevitt is the better coach, just using logic on what M&M are thinking.
 
You could give CNM 25 years and it will be the same ole crap every year. There is no discipline nor strategic ball distribution. This is like the first year we didn't lead the league in turnovers or close to it under his lead. Piss poor FT shooting is unforgivable. No reason for that.

Even in Kermit's worst years, he never had anything as bad as CNM's worse seasons. Kermit had only one losing season in his entire tenure. 1. He won 332 games. All time winningest. CNM is maybe better than Randy Weil and that's about it.
 
Speaking of Grensing, I saw his wife made mention on a X thread that CNM had already been extended. No confirmation but make of that what you will.

I have no doubts Greg would’ve kept the boat rolling had he got the job, at least on the front end. Someone mentioned it already but yes, Kermit did recommend him for the job, but Kermit also publicly supported CNM coming aboard. Greg was incredibly hard nosed and demanded a lot, but he cared for the players too. His X and O qualities were well demonstrated, not surprising though considering his ties to McDermott at Creighton (who still hasn’t reached the end of his playbook). I only wonder how he would be doing in the NIL era though. It’s a different game now.

As to why he hasn’t popped up anywhere else, there was an article on him back in ‘19 mentioning that he was retired. He has a son playing at PCA as well so maybe he just wanted to take a step back and enjoy being a dad.
 
In fairness, I’m a big Kermit guy. He’s the reason I really am a die hard blue raider. Second, I have been a high school head coach for 11 years and seen over 20 of my players go play college ball (all levels). Currently I’m out of coaching as our program ended suddenly this past summer. That said, it would take a monsoon of corruption and/or incompetence for me to ever call for a coach’s job. I have built relationships with college coaches and understand what it means to have a family while coaching and all the things that go along with that.

This all said, both Wiley and Mtfblue have good points. These were different era’s yes, but I don’t think Kermit got as much grace as you think. He is a hard-nosed no nonsense coach more geared toward discipline. Nick is more of a relational coach (or player’s coach).

Kermit was in the sun belt but every year there were 4-5 teams at the top that could jump up and get anyone. LaLaf had a group of guys that were dominant for a few years, but Western was tough all the time! Kermit had been handicapped early though big recruiting acquisitions who didn’t pan out (these were supposed to be program changing guys) like Bryan Smithson who transferred after a great freshman year, Jonathan Loe who was highly recruited out of high school, Adam Vogelsburg (my goodness he was good), Josh Sain, and even Theron Shelton-Schmidt later. And only having one losing record in those years before LaRon Dendy walked on campus was pretty incredible.

Nick was 100% behind the eight ball when he walked in. Super high expectations for the program (Kermit didn’t face that), and kicked off 2 guys immediately who would have been our best players once he stepped on the sideline (Johnson and Dixon). 1 guy that stayed had a decent career (Sims). In my opinion, he was hired too late to really build that first roster which was riddled with players who didn’t belong in a mid-major program, or even a division 1 program, but with transfers already running rampant it wasn’t possible to get the level of player Kermit had built up to. A lot of that goes on M&M if you don’t remember how everyone was up in arms about the 3 commits we had and it was taking forever to hire a coach and they were not being contacted by anyone. So after that first year and terrible record I don’t know who you could convince to come to MT with a complete momentum stop. The one guy they got was Eli Lawrence, but everyone else was not the quality of player needed. It took until the 2021-22 team before we had a roster rebuilt with quality guys… and that team won 26 games.

All this said, I would find it hard to not renew somebody (even if only a year) who just put up more than 20 wins in the regular season. Also the last 4 years have been considerably better than the first 3 (26, 19, 14, 22 wins respectively). The quality of player Nick has gotten has consistently gotten better (Essam, Lands, and Counter this year). I honestly think what we are missing is a hard nosed assistant coach like Grensing which is why I was in favor of finding a way to keep him on staff during the transition. Remember Kermit had the benefit of him, Monty Towe, Win Case, and Donnie Tyndal on his staff. I wish Nick had someone with a national title under his belt for credibility purposes. It would do wonders for the culture in my opinion.
 
Good grief. I will compare them. Kermit didn’t have losing seasons. Kermit was competitive in the conference every year. Kermit was always close just one piece away in those first years. You all can say what you want about who’s responsible for the explosive growth in the program, but the thing that stands out to me the most is that Kermit himself evolved as a head coach. He literally changed how he did things because he recognized the way in which he succeeded at previous schools was OK here but wasn’t good enough. I don’t see any evidence that Nick is capable from evolving from what’s obvious flaws in his coach and style. There’s also one big significant, massive difference being overlooked here which is Kermit took over a program that was a shit show. It still had not recovered from the near death penalty we had gotten. There was no money in the program. There was no recruiting budget. There was no brand because Randy Weil had run it into the ground further. Nick’s current salary - by itself - is more than DOUBLE the entire staff compensation AND recruiting budget combined when Kermit took over and there are still people that want to make this as analogous?? What an absurd way to look at this that Kermit somehow got a grace period that Nick hasn’t - which clearly isn’t the case since this overpaid coach is still here. But even if it we’re true perhaps it’s because one of them deserved it and the other one not so much.
 
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Good grief. I will compare them. Kermit didn’t have losing seasons. Kermit was competitive in the conference every year. Kermit was always close just one piece away in those first years. You all can say what you want about who’s responsible for the explosive growth in the program, but the thing that stands out to me the most is that Kermit himself evolved as a head coach. He literally changed how he did things because he recognized the way in which he succeeded at previous schools was OK here but wasn’t good enough. I don’t see any evidence that Nick is capable from evolving from what’s obvious flaws in his coach and style. There’s also one big significant, massive difference being overlooked here which is Kermit took over a program that was a shit show. It still had not recovered from the near death penalty we had gotten. There was no money in the program. There was no recruiting budget. There was no brand because Randy Weil had run it into the ground further. Nick’s current salary right - by itself - is more than what the entire staff compensation and recruiting budget were combined when Kermit took over and there are still people that want to make this as analogous?? What an absurd way to look at this if someone wants to make the comparison that Kermit somehow got a grace period that Nick hasn’t - which clearly isn’t the case since this overpaid coach is still here. But even if it we’re true perhaps it’s because one of them deserved it and the other one not so much.
Just to correct two things - Kermit did have one losing season (06-07) and didn’t even win our division until his 10th year. But I agree with the sentiment of your post, it’s all about adjustments and Nick hasn’t shown a real ability to do that well especially with the free throws issue and in game decision making.
 
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Weighing in on this, MT had a good but not necessarily great year in MBB. That assessment is even more obscured by what happened in C-USA this year with Liberty/Oregon: how good is 22-12 when the conference champion got smoked in their 5/12 NCAA matchup? I know the Liberty Flames result has nothing to do directly with our coaching decisions or administration, but the eyes across America in recruiting make notes to how strong and competitive the conference is in how it’s represented and that does affect us in an intangible way. Fact is MT lost to Liberty and that’s part of the proverbial calculus. A 22-12 record is middle of the pack but that is near our best for this coaching staff in 7-years. What does next year look like? Recruiting? What have we learned in coaching philosophies as a program in 7-years to become better? How is our fan base standing with engagement? Media exposure? Many of us alums are weary of not winning championships or losing at inopportune times whenever we approach the top of the standings. It’s almost becoming a “Sisyphus” complex—we’re so close in some respects, only to see a predicable forecast come to result and rolling the proverbial stone uphill again in public opinion. To me, it points to executive leadership issue more than head coaches. In the NIL era, everything team wise is being built year-to-year or two at the most. The Iona Gaels may be onto something in citing the “business model”—maybe that needs a reboot…they chose a coaching change after two seasons with a .500 coach. We may need that plus new executive leadership to install a championship caliber culture and expectations across all sports. It’s clearly lacking in several ways right now.
 
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