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As expected, Boehner caves--House to vote on "clean" funding for DHS

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Cave: House to strip out provisions opposing executive amnesty, vote on clean long-term funding bill for DHS


posted at 11:31 am on March 3, 2015 by Allahpundit







DHS is funded through the end of the week, so Boehner didn't have to make his move today. But with most of the media focused on Bibi Netanyahu's speech, he probably decided to use the distraction to try to bury the news of his capitulation. That's appropriate. A fiasco this total should end with an air of shame around it.

After months of indecision and strife, Boehner told GOP lawmakers he plans to allow a vote as early as Tuesday on a clean bill to fund the Homeland Security Department through the rest of the fiscal year, dashing the hopes of conservatives who want to tie the money to language clocking President Obama's executive actions on immigration…


"So he just caved in there," Rep. Tim Huelskamp said of Boehner, adding: "Guess he forgot that a number of us had recommended that this was a poor strategy back in December."…


"As you've heard me say a number of times, the House has done its job by passing legislation to fund DHS and block the president's executive actions on immigration," Boehner said, according to the source. "Unfortunately, the fight was never won in the other chamber. Democrats stayed united and blocked our bill, and our Republican colleagues in the Senate never found a way to win this fight. The three-week CR we offered would have kept this fight going and allowed us to continue to put pressure on Senate Democrats to do the right thing. Unfortunately, that plan was rejected."


The most charitable theory I can come up with for why Boehner and McConnell thought this goony standoff might work is that they honestly didn't know how the Senate's few remaining centrist Democrats would react to the GOP midterm tsunami last year. Maybe Joe Manchin and Claire McCaskill and Heidi Heitkamp and the remaining purple-state survivors would be so spooked by back-to-back Republican waves, knowing that their own seats will be up in 2018, that they'd panic and vote for the House bill tying DHS funding to blocking Obama's executive amnesty. If that had happened and the bill had passed, it would have been a cannon shot at the White House: Not only did Republicans have control of Congress, it would have showed O, but they've got a bunch of jittery Dems willing to make their challenges to the administration bipartisan. In the end, Boehner and McConnell lost their bet as centrist Dems stayed loyal to Obama and Reid.


We can argue over whether that bet was worth making. What we can't argue over is this:




then why did he pick DHS as vehicle? MT @LukeRussert: Boehner will move clean DHS Bill. tells members can't risk attack during shutdown


- dan holler (@danholler) March 3, 2015[/QUOTE]


Why indeed? According to National Journal, Boehner told the GOP caucus this morning, "With more active threats coming into the homeland, I don't believe [a DHS shutdown is] an option. Imagine if, God forbid, another terrorist attack hits the United States." Okay, but then why did they refuse to fund DHS in the "cromnibus" bill in the first place? The point of withholding DHS's money at the time was to put pressure on Obama to agree to the GOP's conditions on amnesty. If Republicans were unwilling to let DHS shut down - which we all knew, including Obama, and which John Thune openly admitted two months ago - then there was never any pressure on O at all. It was transparently a bluff, and both the White House and the Senate's centrist Democrats knew it. It was guaranteed to fail.


That's the takeaway here. this story in The Hill about Boehner supposedly having made a backroom deal with Pelosi to bring up a clean long-term funding bill for DHS this week if her caucus bailed him out before last week's deadline by supporting a short-term funding bill on Friday. A Democratic aide insists that a deal was struck, and Pelosi and Steny Hoyer were coy about it when asked. But I'm not sure there was a deal. If you're a smart strategist like Pelosi, why would you need an explicit commitment from Boehner to know that he was set to cave? Once the Democratic centrists in the Senate refused to bend, this surrender was inevitable - and designed to be so once GOP leaders settled on DHS funding as their alleged "pressure point" in the cromnibus in December. Remember, Boehner and McConnell took office in January determined to show voters that Republicans could be trusted to govern responsibly, i.e. with no more shutdowns or debt-ceiling standoffs. They chose DHS's money as their leverage on amnesty not because they thought it would make Obama blink but because they knew it'd be easier to sell an eventual capitulation on that money to conservatives. "We can't withhold the funding!" they could say. "ISIS will overrun Washington!" And some righties, persuaded by hyper-hawks like John McCain that withholding one thin dime from nonessential DHS personnel would cause a national security crisis, will let them off the hook. The whole DHS/amnesty standoff was just a pander to righties with an escape clause - "we must fund our homeland's security!" - built in. Washington Republicans aren't so good at outmaneuvering Barack Obama or Harry Reid, but they're darned good at outmaneuvering their own base. And they should be. They seem to spend most of their time on it.


The only remaining check on Obama is the courts. If that wasn't already painfully clear before today, it is now.






This post was edited on 3/3 11:02 AM by bigbadjohn45
 
Flash/Mike, could one of you tell me again why we voted Republican this past fall? This is unbelievable, but yet, somehow, I expected it.
 
So, John, since your question is drawing crickets, will you be voting for jeb when he gets the republican nomination in 2016?
 
Originally posted by MTLynn:
So, John, since your question is drawing crickets, will you be voting for jeb when he gets the republican nomination in 2016?
I read an article the other day that Jeb is "evolving" on gay marriage. If that is indeed his position, then no, I will not vote for him. I absolutely will not vote for anyone who stands for that as it goes against my Christian beliefs. Rather, I'll just vote for either a third party candidate or just vote for a write-in. I'll still exercise my right to vote.

So, would you vote for Jeb if he is the nominee?
 
BBJ, we have been over this before. You can do as you like but I still believe that voting for someone you agree with 70% of the time is still better than allowing someone to win that you agree with 0% of the time. Both Hillary and Elizabeth Warren would not only favor gay marriage but they believe America should have empathy for our enemies and they want to redistribute wealth.
I don't believe Jeb Bush wants our nation to have empathy for ISIS and he doesn't believe in wealth redistribution. Hopefully, Jeb won't be the Republican nominee, but if he is I won't have any other choice but to vote for him.
 
The Republican Party has not won a presidential election without either a Bush or a Nixon on the ticket since 1928. Sounds like Bush is your guy.

This post was edited on 3/4 11:39 PM by MidTnBlues
 
honestly, I haven't been following this that closely. Was this the time to fall on the sword? I am not sure. But at some point they will have to make a stand and risk it all.
 
Originally posted by bigbadjohn45:
So, would you vote for Jeb if he is the nominee?
Read my lips, no new bushes! I'm not gonna vote for a socialist. The rhetoric of a president jeb and a dem president may be different but the actions will be the same.

That said, I still think jeb will be the next president.
 
Originally posted by nashvillegoldenflash:
BBJ, we have been over this before. You can do as you like but I still believe that voting for someone you agree with 70% of the time is still better than allowing someone to win that you agree with 0% of the time. Both Hillary and Elizabeth Warren would not only favor gay marriage but they believe America should have empathy for our enemies and they want to redistribute wealth.
I don't believe Jeb Bush wants our nation to have empathy for ISIS and he doesn't believe in wealth redistribution. Hopefully, Jeb won't be the Republican nominee, but if he is I won't have any other choice but to vote for him.
Flash, ordinarily I would support the Republican nominee, but when someone supports homosexual marriage, abortion, etc., they've crossed the line with me and I cannot vote for them. A vote for any candidate who stands for such perverse things would be against my Christian beliefs. Again, if it's contrary to what God teaches, I cannot in good conscience vote for them. As I told Lynn, I'd then vote third party or for a write-in candidate and thereby still exercise my right to vote.
 
BBJ, I understand what you are saying. There are times when you feel you simply have to do what you believe is right. If I were a Mississippian I would have written in McDaniel or abstained from voting. As a true conservative and one who can relate to the good people of the most religious state in the union, I would not have voted for Cochran after the stunt he pulled.

What are McDaniel supporters to do on November 4?
 
BBJ, you will appreciate Daniel Murphy (read below).


If you're an outspoken Christian in the limelight, the one question the world seems to ask you over and over again always deals with homosexuality.

Whether this is out of curiosity or an attempt to trip someone up is anyone's guess, though I tend to think a good portion of the time it's the latter.

New York Mets infielder Daniel Murphy, a very vocal Christian, was recently asked by reporters about his thoughts on gay teammates.

His answer is simple, honest, and brilliant.

From TheBlaze:

In his response, Murphy offered what he feels is Christianity's "actual stance" on homosexuality. He also said he is definitely ready to have a gay teammate.


"Maybe, as a Christian, that we haven't been as articulate enough in describing what our actual stance is on homosexuality. We love the people. We disagree the lifestyle. That's the way I would describe it for me," Murphy told the Star-Ledger.


He continued: "It's the same way that there are aspects of my life that I'm trying to surrender to Christ in my own life. There's a great deal of many things, like my pride. I just think that as a believer trying to articulate it in a way that says just because I disagree with the lifestyle doesn't mean I'm just never going to speak to Billy Bean every time he walks through the door. That's not love. That's not love at all."


When asked about Bean specifically, Murphy said he disagrees with the homosexual "lifestyle," but that "doesn't mean I can't still invest in him and get to know him."


"I don't think the fact that someone is a homosexual should completely shut the door on investing in them in a relational aspect. Getting to know him. That, I would say, you can still accept them but I do disagree with the lifestyle, 100 percent," he said.
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And let the slow clapping commence.

This is a great answer and one I think is pretty biblical.

As a believer, I don't agree or condone homosexuality, but that hardly means I dislike them as individuals or wish any harm to come to them. They are people made in God's image too, just like a heterosexual, and they should be treated with love and kindness just like any other person.

It's nice to see someone like Murphy give such an articulate answer without backing down from what he believes in. Our twisted up culture sure could use a few more good dudes like him being role models for young people.

Keep fighting the good fight, Mr. Murphy!





This post was edited on 3/5 5:35 PM by nashvillegoldenflash

Christian MLB player gives honest answer
 
Originally posted by nashvillegoldenflash:
BBJ, I understand what you are saying. There are times when you feel you simply have to do what you believe is right. If I were a Mississippian I would have written in McDaniel or abstained from voting. As a true conservative and one who can relate to the good people of the most religious state in the union, I would not have voted for Cochran after the stunt he pulled.
Flash, thank you for your kind understanding. Although we're still far, far away from determining who our nominee will be ("our" meaning the Republican nominee, of course), it's still worth mentioning that I still adhere to the "70% rule" you mentioned in your example. I voted for McCain and Romney for those reasons. However, that rule no longer applies to me if a candidate were to endorse such a perverse and sinful thing as homosexual marriage. I firmly believe that we, as Christians, need to draw a line in the sand for such stances that Jeb Bush is considering, and stand strong for what's right in the eyes of the Lord. Just as King Solomon caused a great divide in the kingdom of Israel by following other gods, we must stand firm and follow the Lord our God and walk in His statutes. God bless you my brother.


--BBJ
 
Guys, I am gonna throw you two a change up. For the last 25 years or so since Reagan was President, many Christians have poured money and time into driving a "Christian" political movement to combat the anit-Christian Culture. America's problem, its moral decline is a spiritual problem, not a political problem. Its solution is the Gospel, not partisan politics or conservatism/liberalism.

We would be better off pursing Christ and living in obedience and letting the culture go where it goes. This doesn't mean we don't participate, it just means we focus less on politics and more on Christ. Whenever the church has focused on evangelism and preaching the Gospel, her influence has increased. When the church has sought power by political , cultural or military activism., she has damaged her testimony.






This post was edited on 3/5 8:16 PM by Blueraider_Mike
 
With all due respect Mike, I agree with Bill O'Reilly when he said that every cleric in this country should discuss the threat of ISIS with their congregation (see link). Certainly, I believe pastors should preach the Gospel but at times it's necessary to discuss political issues and how it affects the church body as a whole.




People Of All Faiths To Demand That Obama...
 
Dr. Charles Stanley, a well known pastor of the 13,000-member First Baptist Church of Atlanta, occasionally injects politics in his sermons. Below is his "Pray that the president would" list. Please read and tell me if you believe this is inappropriate for a minister to say to his congregation. I might add that Dr. Stanley's radio and television programs are broadcast nationally on more than 1200 radio and TV outlets. My wife and I thoroughly enjoy listening to his services on Sunday mornings.

Pray that the president would:[/B]Realize the position was obtained either by God's choice or His permissive will.Recognize personal inadequacy for the task and look to God for the wisdom, knowledge, and courage to succeed.Restore dignity, honor, trustworthiness, and righteousness to the office of the presidency.Readily forsake a political career and personal ambitions if it is necessary to do so for the best interest of the country.Reverse the destructive trends of humanism and atheism--which attempt to dethrone God and deify humanity--because they ultimately result in an ungodly society.Respect, honor, and obey the Constitution of the United States--the protector of our freedoms.Reject all counsel that weakens our defenses against aggressors or endorses agreements that would do so in the future.Refuse to promote a way of life in which citizens of our nation become increasingly dependent upon the government for their needs, thus surrendering their freedom to prosper.Remember accountability to almighty God for attitudes, motives, behaviors, and decisions that affect our nation.Resolve to establish a presidential term in which America regains its position as first among nations--when people can prosper individually, feel secure, and take pride in their American citizenship, and Almighty God is recognized as the source of all our blessings.
 
Originally posted by Blueraider_Mike:
Guys, I am gonna throw you two a change up. For the last 25 years or so since Reagan was President, many Christians have poured money and time into driving a "Christian" political movement to combat the anit-Christian Culture. America's problem, its moral decline is a spiritual problem, not a political problem. Its solution is the Gospel, not partisan politics or conservatism/liberalism.

We would be better off pursing Christ and living in obedience and letting the culture go where it goes. This doesn't mean we don't participate, it just means we focus less on politics and more on Christ. Whenever the church has focused on evangelism and preaching the Gospel, her influence has increased. When the church has sought power by political , cultural or military activism., she has damaged her testimony.







This post was edited on 3/5 8:16 PM by Blueraider_Mike
Mike, I agree with you that this country's biggest problem is a spiritual one. No doubt that we've strayed away from God. This is evident with our moral decline.

I would say, however, that Christians should stand up for what's right at all costs. We are to be both a light to the world and a salt to the earth. A good recent example of this was last fall when the Mayor of Houston rescinded those subpoenas for sermon notes for five Houston pastors.
 
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