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Mayor shame

sWiley
MTSU is 100% taken for granted by Murfreesboro, the mayor, and Rutherford Co despite MTSU being the single biggest contributor and driver of the city's growth over the last several decades.

The lack of support from the city and local businesses is truly pathetic and unfortunately nothing will change because nobody cares about MTSU. Again, completely taken for granted. This cannot be understated.

It's a shame the university can't uplift itself and go somewhere else where it might be appreciated. Shane McFarland should be ashamed with his actions but sadly supporting UTK will probably be a politically favorable move throughout the town.....

The town needs some bold leadership who will go all in with MTSU Blue. People are generally sheep and will follow the trends and there are tons of said people in the greater Rutherford Co. area. If it ever becomes cool to like/attend MTSU our University/Sports are going to explode.
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FOOTBALL Running back Frank Peasants intends to enter transfer portal

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Im sure we will lose Omari also after this year.
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I don’t know. I think Omari is happy here. Frank entered last offseason and was kind of always on my radar for a portal entry.

Will have to find someone who can run in between the tackles and grind out those yards like Frank can tho. Credle is an outside zone runner and Middlebrook can’t handle that workload at his size, Altho I think he’s clearly the best back on the team overall to me (including Frank)
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sWiley
jakeboldenbrp said:
I’m asking you — why do you believe this team is the exact same as last year? I would make the argument that if this team doesn’t win 23+ this would be his biggest failing season because this team is so talented.
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Because it's mostly the same starters and same staff and I don't see any transfers coming in that will do anything meaningful. They're more than welcome to prove me wrong and I would love nothing more than to win 30 games, in which case I would be totally okay with McDevitt getting another year or two.

I still think we will see the same crap we've seen the last 6 years. A very athletic team that cannot consistently score (especially on the road) and turns the ball over left and right like it's their job. Lots of turnovers and poor offense is all I can think about when McDevitt is involved and its maddening to watch and cheer for.

The athleticism and defense has mostly always been there. If they could ever figure out a way to play well structured basketball, not turn it over, and not go on insane scoring droughts, we could rack up some W's. They just never seem to be able to do it. McDevitt prioritizes athletes over shooting %'s. You gotta find the right balance, which he hasn't been able to do here.
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TrueBlue147
jakeboldenbrp said:
I guess 4 (of KD’s) players being dismissed for drugs in his first offseason and a COVID season didn’t happen. KD has his excuses for the late start, and NM certainly has his. I’m not saying you have to excuse both cases. I appreciate your consistency in that.

Where you lose me is you say I wanted KD fired before his run, but since he did go on his run, I’m glad it happened and they didn’t fire him. Why isn’t that applied here? If losing 4 players and COVID isn’t a legitimate excuse for bad seasons then we will forever agree to disagree. You also use the injury excuse for KD which is the same argument for last season that you speak so badly of.

You want him fired, and refuse to see any optimism. And I can see your side on not having any reason to be optimistic given the track record. But the ignorance of transferring 6 players with D1, starting experience as a move in the right direction for this season (I don’t disagree with the need for homegrown development and the future) is my biggest point of contention. I have many episodes talking about the team with multiple media personalities and the coach himself so I’ll save you the time. I’m asking you — why do you believe this team is the exact same as last year? I would make the argument that if this team doesn’t win 23+ this would be his biggest failing season because this team is so talented.

On the other note, the money is a valid point. I also wasn’t pleased with the initial hiring because I thought MT had a lot of buying power coming off KD’s career at MT. I don’t know how they landed there because at a school at this level, we will always take a chance on the next coach. But that was a unique opportunity for MTSU to “buy-up”. Unfortunately in this business, coaches get promoted to MTSU, not demoted. So we can agree the pay isn’t justified based on his results.
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Every coach in the country dealt with COVID. That is not a legitimate excuse for the terrible season he had.
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TrueBlue147
MTFAN61 said:
Kermit may have not been the greatest offensive minded coach, but he knew how to get the best out of his players when it came to defense. His defensive X's & O's skills kept us in a ton of games even when our talent did not match our competition. Even the majority of his losses were relatively competitive. During his initial 10 year stretch the his win/loss seasonal ratio probably averaged 18-14. That was a frustrating time, but not horrific.
Many times coaches don't fair as well on a second go around, but in this case I would take Kermit in a heartbeat over NM. At least he understands the basics of teaching the fundamentals of basketball, & getting great effort defensively out of his players. He realized defense can win championships at this level anyway.
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Excellent point about Kermit's teams competitiveness. Very rarely were Kermit's teams run off the floor. Kermit's teams were hardnosed and tough even when they were overmatched by talent. Blow outs were far and few between unlike McDevitt's teams where we were humiliated countless times with 20 plus point blow outs. Also, even in Kermit's "bad" years, they were never as bad as McDevitt's.

I think we have had enough time to see that McDevitt and his system is not going to work here. The only way he does not deserve to be fired, after this season, is if he wins 20 plus games and has a NCAA tournament appearance. If he accomplishes that, it should be only a two year extension. Extending his contract without meeting these metrics is just delaying the inevitable like we did with Stockstill.
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M
Football hasn't swayed me on basketball. I'm not going to go back and find old posts but you're welcome to. It was a bad hire. Simple as that. Something I said from day one. And in spite of what is now a mountain of evidence to back that up, he's allowed a seventh year. It's crazy town in Cope/Murphy.

It's unconscionable. Again, look at our rival. They recognized they made a bad choice in football and fired a coach after only two seasons. Since then 45-28 with four bowl wins. Basketball? Stansbury never has a losing season but they see the trend and it doesn't meet their own expectations. Why do we accept such low bars here? Maybe I should have gone to western.
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jakeboldenbrp
MTFAN61 said:
Kermit may have not been the greatest offensive minded coach, but he knew how to get the best out of his players when it came to defense. His defensive X's & O's skills kept us in a ton of games even when our talent did not match our competition. Even the majority of his losses were relatively competitive. During his initial 10 year stretch the his win/loss seasonal ratio probably averaged 18-14. That was a frustrating time, but not horrific.
Many times coaches don't fair as well on a second go around, but in this case I would take Kermit in a heartbeat over NM. At least he understands the basics of teaching the fundamentals of basketball, & getting great effort defensively out of his players. He realized defense can win championships at this level anyway.
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That’s a sound take. KD’s floor was never as bad as NM’s, not even remotely close. Nothing under 15 wins.

Those first 3 seasons NM definitely swung and missed on some recruits/transfers and, to your point, those teams lacked basic fundamentals or cohesion because he had some talented guys like CJ Jones and Antonio Green, but one dimensional teams don’t work in CUSA. That’s why Jax State was so bad last year with a player that averaged nearly 18 ppg.
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M
Kermit may have not been the greatest offensive minded coach, but he knew how to get the best out of his players when it came to defense. His defensive X's & O's skills kept us in a ton of games even when our talent did not match our competition. Even the majority of his losses were relatively competitive. During his initial 10 year stretch the his win/loss seasonal ratio probably averaged 18-14. That was a frustrating time, but not horrific.
Many times coaches don't fair as well on a second go around, but in this case I would take Kermit in a heartbeat over NM. At least he understands the basics of teaching the fundamentals of basketball, & getting great effort defensively out of his players. He realized defense can win championships at this level anyway.
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MT01 said:
Because he has proven his style and the way he runs a program cannot work at this level. Well as this league continues to get weaker maybe he will begin to have success. At high mid major this style doesn’t work. I went to great lengths to explain this after he was hired in year one. Everyone said he needs time. Nothing has changed with time. The same deficiencies I highlighted before he ever coached a game here have been proven over the course of 200 games. The evidence of failure is existent. The evidence of success is non-existent. There is literally no comparison between the two coaches first six seasons. Kermit’s teams demonstrated just on the cusp of being an annual conference contender. Was always just that one piece away. Until he figured it out. McDevitt has demonstrated no will to change how he does things in spite of perpetual failure. What does that tell us? It tells us even if he cobbles something together hat gets him more time he will revert and continue to fail. There is literally no comparison to a coach that has never beaten a major program in his coaching career - ever - and Kermits accomplishments. It’s absurd that anyone is incapable of seeing the stark differences in the two coaches first six years and why one was given more time and why the other shouldn’t even be here now.
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Don’t let football sway your view on basketball. This conference is better than where we’ve been. Not a two-bid league mind you, which I think is your point. This conference is the definition of mid-major. Until we dump FIU and bring in MO St and Delaware could we see us get back to the relevancy you’re attesting to. Just my opinion, you may disagree.

Well said on the style not transferring. Something I’ve spoken to a lot especially with Oliver, and I asked NM that same question in my last interview with him. I would agree with you something has to give.

I’m surprised you say KD being one piece away from putting it together through 9 years (until his first regular season title). I think a lot would agree that mentality is the reason we kept Stock for so long, and why we’re currently holding out on NM. Stock was the king of being just good enough, but not conference champion good enough.
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I'm sorry but this subject is depressing to damn near infuriating. We have a President who, himself, has perpetually failed alumni and inserted himself into a process he had no business being in during the hiring, because his ego is bigger than his over inflated paycheck. There is absolutely no school in America that would tolerate the failures this administration allows coaches to get away with. While we've floundered like a fish out of water, our rival continues to be one of the top programs in the two most important sports sitting in first place in football and coming off an NCAA Tournament appearance in basketball. Our rival fires a coach without a single losing season. Meanwhile, in Murfreesboro... (and you can go find your own picture of a dumpster fire).

Why does MT leadership and fan base have such lower expectations than what's demonstrated in Bowling Green? Can anyone answer that?
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Because he has proven his style and the way he runs a program cannot work at this level. Well as this league continues to get weaker maybe he will begin to have success. At high mid major this style doesn’t work. I went to great lengths to explain this after he was hired in year one. Everyone said he needs time. Nothing has changed with time. The same deficiencies I highlighted before he ever coached a game here have been proven over the course of 200 games. The evidence of failure is existent. The evidence of success is non-existent. There is literally no comparison between the two coaches first six seasons. Kermit’s teams demonstrated just on the cusp of being an annual conference contender. Was always just that one piece away. Until he figured it out. McDevitt has demonstrated no will to change how he does things in spite of perpetual failure. What does that tell us? It tells us even if he cobbles something together hat gets him more time he will revert and continue to fail. There is literally no comparison to a coach that has never beaten a major program in his coaching career - ever - and Kermits accomplishments. It’s absurd that anyone is incapable of seeing the stark differences in the two coaches first six years and why one was given more time and why the other shouldn’t even be here now.
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MT01 said:
Kermit won over 55% of his games the first seven years and played about half as many non D1 schools as CNM has.
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KD coached against 14 non-D1 schools in his first 7 seasons.

NM will have coached against 14 non-D1 schools in his first 7 seasons.

I’m not discrediting your fact that 55% winning is better than 44% winning. What’s delusional about saying if you want to compare KD’s start to NM’s start they both should have been fired 7 years into their career? Hindsight is always 20/20, it’s much easier to apologize for KD’s start because you know how it finishes.

The only ground I’m wanting to stand on is this team has the opportunity to be special because NM had a great season after a big class like we saw in ‘22. I’m arguing for optimism, not for job security.
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