MTTim said:

Mcphee and Smith are 100% to blame.

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It appears that Smith is a subversive, and 7-wood is a willing stooge. What do they gain by impeding MT's academic or athletic progress?

Are boosters from other state schools paying them off??? Free trips to Diddy parties???

Caught up with him

He told me his recruitment exploded after his play at the JA48...JA48 is a junior college all-star game.

"My recruitment Was loaded After The JA48.. It didn’t come down to certain amount of schools , MTSU was the first to schedule a visit and it felt right."

On Why MT:
Said that he was comfortable "immediately"

"Everybody was welcoming with big smiles."

He told me that he plays the one and the two, he is great at "facilitating and scoring."

Ambrose told Nick directly he was committing. Said he was excited and grinning.

RaiderDoug said:

It's inevitable that there will become a third division somewhere between FBS and FCS, and we and a whole lot of other programs will be in it.

But there's an appetite for legacy college football, with a whole lot of quality programs that can feed it.

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Appreciate the feedback on my post. I find the two statements above to be the biggest bogeys. I assume that's the case for most of us who have allegiances to G5 schools.

I completely agree that money is going to bifurcate FBS football. I also think that is going to change the appetite for legacy college football. With power conferences and TV deals, there are going to be marquee games EVERY Saturday, and I think create a vacuum that takes the oxygen out of G5 / FCS / etc. Our games will matter to us, but that's it. Our footprint will become smaller, if that's even possible.

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You could've taken the Memphis out of majority of the conversation and put MT in its place.

We need to focus on being the best in whatever conference, but I'm not convinced that would even help us.

MT01 said:

Hawaii is not an all sports member of the MWC.

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Oh, I didn't realize that. Thanks...

ewglenn said:

If the MWC UTEP/NMSU and took Toledo/NIU would any of yall be interested in going after MAC schools? I feel like Ball St, Miami OH, and Ohio are teams we could possibly talk into switching over.

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Judy isn't smart enough to do much. She is probably oblivious to all of this going on.

DisgruntledAlum said:

Why is Hawaii so low? Is there a deal in place or something for them to get less?

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Hawaii is not an all sports member of the MWC.

MidTennMtneer said:

Actually pretty genius. UNLV/AF get $22m, then others $10.3m. This doesn't include what will be settled with the P12 poaching lawsuit so the MWC can use that to assist in buyouts for whoever they grab and then go to market for a media deal. They won't get the $7m they had before but they'll get more than us for sure. We are at $800k, MAC $750k, SBC $1m.

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Why is Hawaii so low? Is there a deal in place or something for them to get less?

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I had not visited the Sun Belt board ever since we left over ten years ago. So I visited that message board today and there was a poll in one thread

Who do you want to see in the SBC if Texas State leaves?​
FIU​		2​	1.85%​
Liberty​		7​	6.48%​
Louisiana Tech​		17​	15.74%​
Middle Tennessee​		3​	2.78%​
Sam Houston State​		2​	1.85%​
Western Kentucky​		56​	51.85%​
Missouri State​		9​	8.33%​
Delaware​		12​	11.11%​

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It's now

wkcc 76
MT 4

ewglenn said:

If the MWC UTEP/NMSU and took Toledo/NIU would any of yall be interested in going after MAC schools? I feel like Ball St, Miami OH, and Ohio are teams we could possibly talk into switching over.

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I'm up for anything that puts us in a solid place. If it is staying in CUSA, fine. But right now I feel like we are on the outside looking in with no one, our admin or Judy, being proactive. A major shift is coming in a few years and I want us in the 2nd level, whatever that may end up being. I feel right now our conference could get dropped.

Hindsight is 20/20. Granted we jumped to CUSA later than we should have, but who could've guessed that now the SBC makes more money?

We always thought the MAC was the most stable out there and maybe should've taken it. Now? Are they? Who knows.

There just seems to be no forward thinking anywhere around us at all.

SigmaNuBlue said:

I realize I'm in the extreme minority, but this is why I just don't see the ROI in investing in G5 football anymore. We are steam rolling forward into just being glorified minor league football. Any P5 talent we get will leave as soon as a more lucrative offer comes along. It's almost impossible for us, or similar schools, to be relevant on a national scale.

IMO, we need to be the Butler or Wichita St of the southeast. Be a national player in basketball and baseball. Again, I realize I'm in the minority. Just feels like we are spitting in the wind on this, and it's only going to get worse.

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It's inevitable that there will become a third division somewhere between FBS and FCS, and we and a whole lot of other programs will be in it. I don't know when or the exact mechanisms that will cause it. G5 programs are still under the idea that if they just do a few things here and, get a little lucky, they'll be the next big thing. It ain't gonna happen for 99% of the programs. We'll get there, but the G5 will have to lose a whole lot of money to bust those egos first.

I do actually think there's an opportunity to be successful here. Obviously, competing with the Alabamas and Texas's is out the window (if that window ever truly existed). But there's an appetite for legacy college football, with a whole lot of quality programs that can feed it. We have to clean up our own mess first and dig our way out of the whole we dug for 17 years.

If the MWC UTEP/NMSU and took Toledo/NIU would any of yall be interested in going after MAC schools? I feel like Ball St, Miami OH, and Ohio are teams we could possibly talk into switching over.

DisgruntledAlum said:

Anyone keeping up with the UNLV and former QB?

Some if the scenarios I read were:
- They didn't pay him
- They did pay him, but now he wants more money
- Another school offered more to redshirt to play next season

There could others out there that I missed.

The current business model is failing, and it is going to be an epic collapse at some point. These kids and majority of parents are not smart enough to have this much influence at a program. Honestly, our school will not be able to sustain this for the long term.

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Failing for who? Small G5 programs that don't turn a profit? If so, I agree. That's the result of a free market. There are always market corrections, and they are typically drastic. End of the day, money always wins. As an MT alum and fan, it burns, but we missed our chance. Simple as that.

As far as being "not smart enough", he is smart enough to cash in while he can. Optically, it's not a great look, but another school is going to pay him. He will have over 100k reasons to not care about the optics. Like it or not, he is maximizing his earnings window. He will be the first of many to do this.

These TV contracts changed the business model. I don't have a problem with players cashing in. They are the product. Coaches have made a career of out leaving for more $, why can't players? Because of loyalty to the school? That's just not the real world anymore.

I realize I'm in the extreme minority, but this is why I just don't see the ROI in investing in G5 football anymore. We are steam rolling forward into just being glorified minor league football. Any P5 talent we get will leave as soon as a more lucrative offer comes along. It's almost impossible for us, or similar schools, to be relevant on a national scale.

IMO, we need to be the Butler or Wichita St of the southeast. Be a national player in basketball and baseball. Again, I realize I'm in the minority. Just feels like we are spitting in the wind on this, and it's only going to get worse.

52-17.
If we play like we did vs Duke.

We keep mistakes at a minimum...ie turnovers....
34-17.

49-7 Bad guys

We don’t even force opposing offenses to punt.

66-13

RaiderDoug said:

They're all crabs in the bucket - instead of working together, they're killing each other thinking that one of them will get out - and they're all headed to the pot. Too many admins afraid of losing the meal ticket on the athletics gravy train.

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100%. It absolutely is completely stupid. The PAC and MWC should just merge, create a performance based payout system and call it a day. If the MWC got $7m before, together with a few more schools from the AAC, plus inflation, they could hit $10m. But instead they are wasting millions.

Now the MWC is going after MAC schools for football only which makes even less sense.

They're all crabs in the bucket - instead of working together, they're killing each other thinking that one of them will get out - and they're all headed to the pot. Too many admins afraid of losing the meal ticket on the athletics gravy train.

Groundhog day

MTFAN61 said:

Didn't we also lose 2-3 linemen against Tech in game 1? I'm also thinking our conditioning has been subpar not only this year, but for multiple years now.

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Yes they lost Julius Pierce which was probably the best lineman on the team. And then they lost J'Shun Bodiford who to @mtfblue comment, Bodiford is a 6'3 offensive tackle