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FOOTBALL G5 Needs A Collective Ultimatum

The only people who can't see where this is going are the G5 conference commish's and the G5 school admins.

Or they see where it's going, but don't have the brains or the balls to get us all out of this doom spiral and into a framework that works.
They 100% don't have the cojones. Afraid to rock the boat and lose what money they do get, which keeps dwindling down. There are many options out there to grow the G5 revenue and status, they just are afraid to do it.

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I look at it this way.

Stock in the first half of his seasons was 44-63 .411. Second half not counting any post season play 64-40 .615.

I'm not saying CDM is the answer, but as a G5 in a weak conference our schedule has always been front loaded. All I'm saying is give him a chance to make it through his first season.

And going by ESPN FPI Resumes, Indiana's played SOS is 108. Ours, 19. In CUSA only WKU has played a tougher schedule at 7, good for the 4th toughest played schedule in G5.

And to top it off our remaining schedule is 134. Dead last in FBS. We literally have the weakest remaining schedule in the country.

MWC getting blown up

Perhaps the thing that is being lost is that it’s exactly these types of coaching changes when an average G5 school like FIU or Charlotte can go in and get an upset.

Not only did that not even come close to happening, Indiana has dominated their peers so far. That’s what’s been impressive. Basically a completely new roster and they have dominated everyone they’ve played so far.

MWC getting blown up

Indiana:

Tom Allen, last three seasons:
2021Indiana2–100–97th (East)
2022Indiana4–82–76th (East)
2023Indiana3–91–87th (East)

Curt Cignetti, first season:

2024Indiana5–02–0

vs FIU W 31-7
vs W Illinois W 77-3
@ UCLA W 42-13
vs Charlotte W 52-14
vsMaryland W 42-28
A Big10 program playing that schedule should be 3-2 at minimum. There are 2 bad G5s, 1 FCS, and 2 conference games.

It's the equivalent of MT playing 2 FCS games, Division II team, and two conference games...what's remarkable about Indiana's schedule is the 2 wins in conference.

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As I've said elsewhere, it's not that MT lost; it's HOW MT lost. Sure, the 2024 schedule didn't help Mason & the MT FB team

So many of the issues MT has dealt with are self-inflicted. Fumbles (especially fumbles inside the 20). Dumb penalties. Execution. Secondary issues. Some of those can / should be fixed.

But some those issues are young guys being thrust into the lineup before they are ready. There's a reason starters are starters and backups are backups. And MT fans are seeing it play out in front of them.

But this year (IMO) was always about trying to get the ship turned around and heading in the right direction. Recruiting (so far) is solid. If Mason can land a couple of transfers, they'll be in a good spot.

MWC getting blown up

Indiana:

Tom Allen, last three seasons:
2021Indiana2–100–97th (East)
2022Indiana4–82–76th (East)
2023Indiana3–91–87th (East)

Curt Cignetti, first season:

2024Indiana5–02–0

vs FIU W 31-7
vs W Illinois W 77-3
@ UCLA W 42-13
vs Charlotte W 52-14
vsMaryland W 42-28
They’ve got a very soft schedule this season in comparison to those previous 3. I don’t doubt that they will be somewhere around 8-4 this year. Curt is an upgrade but having a manageable schedule does wonders.

That has been one of my biggest complaints about how we’ve scheduled the OOC games. We get to conference play every year with a terrible record and all momentum is lost. Our conference has not helped us either because it always seems like they schedule us the contenders early on.

Louisville’s 2016 season is the best example of that I can think of. EVERYONE remembers that season and how great they were but hardly anyone remembers they went 9-4 and lost to their biggest rival. They started 9-1 and went 0-3 in their last 3 games. Having a manageable schedule helps in a lot of areas. That’s something our university leadership doesn’t seem to understand.

MWC getting blown up

Doug, this is one you're definitely wrong about. You said no one could have done it. Now, maybe you could restate that to say no one that MT could have actually gotten, but what Cignetti has done there already is nothing short of incredible. There's not much left from prior recruiting classes...

Curt Cignetti is tasked with building Indiana into a respectable college football program as the competition level in the Big Ten increases with expansion in 2024. The new head coach of the Hoosiers seemed to clean house upon his arrival in Bloomington after five successful seasons at James Madison. Indiana witnessed another wave of transfer portal departures during the spring window, pushing the total number of losses to 39. Starting quarterback Brendan Sorsby, top running back Trent Howland as well as starting safeties Phillip Dunman and Louis Moore are among the notable departures from the portal cycle. Indiana has 29 incoming transfers for the 2024 roster. -247

MWC getting blown up

rick stuckstill, last three seasons:

2021Middle Tennessee7–64–44th (East)W Bahamas
2022Middle Tennessee8–54–4T–4thW Hawaii
2023Middle Tennessee4–83–55th

Mason took over a better situation at MT than Curt Cignetti did at Indiana

I disagree.

Indiana, for all it's faults in the last 3 years, is a program with Big 10 money, Big 10 resources, a deep(-ish) NIL fund. Tom Allen, the guy Cignetti replaced, led them to a top 10 ranking just 4 years ago, and another top 20 ranking. They've also had a top 25 recruiting class in 2022. There are players on that Indiana roster now that were part of that top 10 team from 2020 thanks to Covid years, and there are players that are part of that top 25 recruiting class on that roster.

Also, the cumulative record of teams he's faced is 8-11.

Big 10 money, infrastructure, and resources + recent track record of success + veteran roster of kids who know what it's like to win + easy schedule vs losing teams = some early wins.

That's not to take away the job Cignetti's doing - he was impressive at JMU and good for him at IU. He looks like the next superstar coach. But what he's facing isn't remotely what Mason is having to tackle (and I'm not saying what Mason has produced on the field in the first 5 is great, just understandable).

Also, what you did with the MT record comparison is a little disingenuous. MTSU's total season record isn't that bad in your stats (it's not competitive for championships, but it's mediocre) - but for the first 4 games of those seasons, we didn't get off to a great start either - our record in the first 5 games of the last 3 seasons was 6-8, a losing record. Those wins in that comparison were built off of late season surges against conference competition - which we haven't seen if we can do this year. Hence, my constant refrain of "let's see where we are at the end of the year to really judge the job we're doing".

If you want to compare it to Mason:

Mason's FBS opponents are 16-4, an .800 winning percentage. I don't have time to look at it, but .800 might be the most difficult first 4 FBS games in college football this year. It is 100% certainly a more difficult early season slate than anything that MT has faced in the last 3 years of your comparison.

The rest of the G5 has 17 new coaches. 11 of them have losing records right now. CUSA has 3 new coaches, they are a combined 2-11. Scotty Walden, everyone's favorite runner up - is 0-4 at UTEP (they lost to an FCS program).

Anyone who took this job was walking into a job that, in his first year:

1. A roster that had little talent to begin with that was decimated by the portal.
2. An almost impossible early season schedule (see 16-4 above).
3. Has no infrastructure built - literally, they are building it now. The new coach actually had to paint the walls of the nutrition station himself.
4. No fan support.
5. Little to no NIL.
6. A tiny budget.
7. No recruiting pipelines or relationships to rely on to restock the roster.

No one has to be happy with where we are today. And if you're still angry at the mismanagement of the past 20 years, sure, totally valid.

But if we're talking about the 2024 season, I think if we're going to be fair and honest with ourselves and our program and coaches - we have to recognize the challenges above.

MWC getting blown up

This has been my reactions and take as well since he was hired. Something just gave me a weird vibe recently but hopefully just a false alarm.

I was sus from day 1. He’s flamed out badly at his last 3 jobs. What on earth would give us any indication things will be better at MT?

MT job is a hard one. Very hard in my opinion. If you want to win at least it is, if your trying to coast on by with “bowl eligibility” being your big goal then it’s not so hard. But to create a championship winning team at MT is going to take a Herculean effort and someone who really knows what they are doing

I just don’t think Mason is that guy. Especially with these coordinators. I’m happy to be wrong though. Recruiting does look good. But will they stay if they strike gold anyway ?
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I just have to disagree. I don’t think we are that close. I think we have talent problems in key areas that will continue to manifest game after game. Piss poor secondary, no pressure from the DL (how many sacks do we have?), reactionary play calling on defense, a total inability to run the ball, only 2 good WR, unimaginative offense, losing the turnover battle every game, etc. many of these things are difficult to impossible to fix in the middle of a season, and I don’t think it happens.


I think this team is fighting at the bottom when the season ends with only around 1-2 more wins on the schedule. FIU, UTEP, Kennesaw possibly and they will lose one of those.

We may beat a few of the bottom feeders but this team gets beat when we play anyone with a pulse. We won’t have a W and maybe not even a competitive game against any team with a winning record this year.

Looking to the future I’m concerned. Recruiting class looks good but I’m not convinced anyone stays if they have a good year. And we are gonna need more than 1 good season out of a kid when we strike gold. That’s what used to make G5 like us good. Getting 4-5 years out of guys like Richie James, Kevin byard, reed Blankenship, Phillip Tanner, Benny Cunningham, etc. you get the idea
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No. He went to Auburn as a DC after Vandy didn’t work out but the whole Bryan Harsin ordeal happened that year and he looked for a better situation to put it nicely. I think Mason will be here for a while as of right now
He could be 12-24 after 3 years and M&M would not fire him. Not their style.

No other D1/FBS school this side of Northwestern gives as much slack and acceptance of losing as MT with M&M in charge.

MWC getting blown up

It's led me to ask this to myself, but haven't done so out loud.

Is Mason a grifter? Because if he is that's exactly the type of person that McPhee would just eat up and love all day.

I hope not, but if the cliches and one-liners aren't backed up with substance...
No. He went to Auburn as a DC after Vandy didn’t work out but the whole Bryan Harsin ordeal happened that year and he looked for a better situation to put it nicely. I think Mason will be here for a while as of right now

FOOTBALL G5 Needs A Collective Ultimatum

I do not like two conferences having all the power. Once they got the autonomy to do what they want, college football took a downhill turn.
They already have all the power. NCAA has no leverage over them as they continue to distance themselves. SEC/B10 trying to see how much leverage they have right now imo

MWC getting blown up

Indiana:

Tom Allen, last three seasons:
2021Indiana2–100–97th (East)
2022Indiana4–82–76th (East)
2023Indiana3–91–87th (East)

rick stuckstill, last three seasons:

2021Middle Tennessee7–64–44th (East)W Bahamas
2022Middle Tennessee8–54–4T–4thW Hawaii
2023Middle Tennessee4–83–55th

Mason took over a better situation at MT than Curt Cignetti did at Indiana
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