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MWC getting blown up

No one can turn around a disaster like this program in a few months.

I don’t know if Mason is the answer. But you can reanimate Knute Rockne and we’d still be sitting at 1 win right now.

For me, I want to see some increasing competitiveness to finish out the year. I want to see the best recruiting class and portal class since the Andy Mac days. Then, next year, we’ll see if we’re moving forward or heading to a reset.

UNLV NIL Fiasco

Mississippi State’s student tickets are a bit more than the $18 I paid for 6 games in grad school 20 years ago.


But at least it’s optional and not required.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree. Like you said, at least they have a choice. Many students are like me back many moons ago, a non-traditional student with full time job, some are even supporting a family. I was fresh off active duty supporting myself with no local family. So, I understand how many feel and they have every right to. That GI Bill is nowhere near what it is now.

I think I paid $250 for my daughter's all sports ticket. I cannot remember what the student fee was my last year, which was 24 years ago. Holy crap, that's a long time ago.

MWC getting blown up

I don’t doubt Mason’s sincerity. He seems like a good and descent man. He cares for his players and wants them to graduate. All good things.

We can quibble and discuss re: the state of program and if Mason can take them to the top.

I have my differences with Mason (prefer a more aggressive, innovative offense), but Mason has forgotten more football than I know. Plus, he’s the main in the chair, I’m not.

I’ll voice my concerns and disagreements but I can’t attack a man’s motives and heart.

This has been my reactions and take as well since he was hired. Something just gave me a weird vibe recently but hopefully just a false alarm.

UNLV NIL Fiasco

Not that it matters in the big scheme of all this, but Mississippi State students have to purchase their tickets to all athletic events. But I totally agree with what you're saying in regard to the student fees and the subsidizing of athletics.

Bama students do as well, but they have to choose between two packages that only carry half the season, and seniors get first choice.

MT definitely cannot afford to take that position; students would never go. I totally agree that maybe should drop down or focus on basketball.

I saw it in a previous post that the other kids at UNLV did not back the QB. I don't mind kids getting money, but for love of God, get it in writing. Did his parents not think: "Hey, we going to need this in writing", or the agent? Was he hired after the fact? Are any of us going to take a job for "life changing money" based on what a recruiter says without talking to a decision maker and signing a formal deal. Everyone in here seems smart, I don't think anyone in here would.

I still contend that this model, as it currently allows each individual state to set their own rules, is failing and will continue to fail the overall world of college football. Not all schools, but majority. Honestly, I don't think Mississippi State is going to be able to keep up with this arms race. They have for decades focused on baseball. It's like a five-year waiting list, if not longer, to get a chair back season ticket at Dudy Noble Field, not reference any secondary market sites.

I think, just random ideas, the rules with NIL need to be equal across the board with some type of national governance (this is interstate commerce since crossing state lines) so that each school is playing by the same set of rules.

I also wouldn't mind seeing some type of salary cap, if it's good enough for the big leagues, it should be for the NCAA. Maybe P4 has a limit and G5 has a limit. Maybe, hopefully, it might help schools like ours get closer to where we are competing financially with other peer schools in the NIL realm. Honestly, I have no idea where we sit with NIL and who is getting paid and how much.

How about pay scales based on academic year in school, kind of like the rookie deals in the NFL, but can earn more as sophomore and so on. Maybe, just maybe, give some of the kids an incentive to get that degree.

I wouldn't mind a performance-based contract, incentives if you will.

I also do not believe a freshmen player, having never played a down in college football, should be making more than league minimum in NFL. At least those dudes have some college experience. I understand how the market works, and yes, there will come a correction. But leadership could help speed it up. There has to be a time coming, if not already, where a player didn't live up to expectations and a group finally says no more. Has it happened already? I am assuming these NIL deals are yearly, is that fair to say?

I don't know if all or any are feasible, maybe it's time for a CBA. I just believe that college football cannot continue on its current trajectory. MT has bigger problems in addition to the NIL world. Jesus, we are so far behind.

My thoughts are purely opinions, some wrong and some right, but we all know what they say about opinions.

Mississippi State’s student tickets are a bit more than the $18 I paid for 6 games in grad school 20 years ago.


But at least it’s optional and not required.
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MWC getting blown up

It's led me to ask this to myself, but haven't done so out loud.

Is Mason a grifter? Because if he is that's exactly the type of person that McPhee would just eat up and love all day.

I hope not, but if the cliches and one-liners aren't backed up with substance...
I don’t doubt Mason’s sincerity. He seems like a good and descent man. He cares for his players and wants them to graduate. All good things.

We can quibble and discuss re: the state of program and if Mason can take them to the top.

I have my differences with Mason (prefer a more aggressive, innovative offense), but Mason has forgotten more football than I know. Plus, he’s the main in the chair, I’m not.

I’ll voice my concerns and disagreements but I can’t attack a man’s motives and heart.

MWC getting blown up

It's led me to ask this to myself, but haven't done so out loud.

Is Mason a grifter? Because if he is that's exactly the type of person that McPhee would just eat up and love all day.

I hope not, but if the cliches and one-liners aren't backed up with substance...
I’m starting to wonder as well. He quit on Ok State from what I recall. Basically a new coaching staff and huge roster overhaul and it’s early but if you have new pieces to work wothwhy can’t you win yet?

FOOTBALL G5 Needs A Collective Ultimatum

And here it is. I'm gonna say the split will happen after this CFP contract is up after 2031-32 season.

"Sources in both leagues told ESPN on Monday they would prefer to have potentially four automatic bids each to the playoff when the next contract begins in 2026. CFP leaders haven't determined yet what the playoff will look like beyond this season and next. Some said they need to know that before making any decisions about future scheduling partnerships."

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I do not like two conferences having all the power. Once they got the autonomy to do what they want, college football took a downhill turn.
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MWC getting blown up

There have been way too many "almost" moments. Almost put together 2 magical seasons (2009 / 2010), but Dasher got suspended.

Almost hired this coach...Or that coach. You can say that about football & MBB. Interesting nugget : In the FBS era, MT has not hired a football head coach with a winning record in his previous 3 seasons as a coach.

Andy McCollum was 4-7 (1996), 2-9 (1997), and 2-9 (1998) as an asst at Baylor
Rick Stockstill was 1-11 (2003), 6-5 (2004), and 7-5 (2005) as an asst at ECU / USC Jr
Derek Mason was 0-8 at Sandy in 2020, 6-7 (2021 at Auburn), 7-6 (2022 at Ok State).

It's led me to ask this to myself, but haven't done so out loud.

Is Mason a grifter? Because if he is that's exactly the type of person that McPhee would just eat up and love all day.

I hope not, but if the cliches and one-liners aren't backed up with substance...
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MWC getting blown up

There have been way too many "almost" moments. Almost put together 2 magical seasons (2009 / 2010), but Dasher got suspended.

Almost hired this coach...Or that coach. You can say that about football & MBB. Interesting nugget : In the FBS era, MT has not hired a football head coach with a winning record in his previous 3 seasons as a coach.

Andy McCollum was 4-7 (1996), 2-9 (1997), and 2-9 (1998) as an asst at Baylor
Rick Stockstill was 1-11 (2003), 6-5 (2004), and 7-5 (2005) as an asst at ECU / USC Jr
Derek Mason was 0-8 at Sandy in 2020, 6-7 (2021 at Auburn), 7-6 (2022 at Ok State).
We all know where the responsibility falls for this.

UNLV NIL Fiasco

Our athletic budget in 2023 was 40.8 million. The median FBS budget was 83.6 million.

We are not competitive with the top 1/2 of FBS. We are not competitive in NIL.

This NIL story demonstrates how messed up this system is and how MT won’t be successful in this system, especially with M&M in charge for at least a few more years.

We have to subsidize 2/3 of our athletic budget with student fees school funding. This is just to remain not competitive FBS. The worst budget in the SEC, Mississippi State, subsidized their budget with $0 from student fees and school funds.

There’s no way a reasonable person can look at the budget and results then say our it’s worth it or our “leadership” is meeting their fiduciary responsibility.

We had a narrow path to success to make the FBS move make sense and we let M&M pilot the ship.

We are not with the P4. Why subsidize at this rate to stay in the G6?

We should drop back to FCS for football, cut our subsidizes significantly and refocuses our resources where we can be competitive.
Not that it matters in the big scheme of all this, but Mississippi State students have to purchase their tickets to all athletic events. But I totally agree with what you're saying in regard to the student fees and the subsidizing of athletics.

Bama students do as well, but they have to choose between two packages that only carry half the season, and seniors get first choice.

MT definitely cannot afford to take that position; students would never go. I totally agree that maybe should drop down or focus on basketball.

I saw it in a previous post that the other kids at UNLV did not back the QB. I don't mind kids getting money, but for love of God, get it in writing. Did his parents not think: "Hey, we going to need this in writing", or the agent? Was he hired after the fact? Are any of us going to take a job for "life changing money" based on what a recruiter says without talking to a decision maker and signing a formal deal. Everyone in here seems smart, I don't think anyone in here would.

I still contend that this model, as it currently allows each individual state to set their own rules, is failing and will continue to fail the overall world of college football. Not all schools, but majority. Honestly, I don't think Mississippi State is going to be able to keep up with this arms race. They have for decades focused on baseball. It's like a five-year waiting list, if not longer, to get a chair back season ticket at Dudy Noble Field, not reference any secondary market sites.

I think, just random ideas, the rules with NIL need to be equal across the board with some type of national governance (this is interstate commerce since crossing state lines) so that each school is playing by the same set of rules.

I also wouldn't mind seeing some type of salary cap, if it's good enough for the big leagues, it should be for the NCAA. Maybe P4 has a limit and G5 has a limit. Maybe, hopefully, it might help schools like ours get closer to where we are competing financially with other peer schools in the NIL realm. Honestly, I have no idea where we sit with NIL and who is getting paid and how much.

How about pay scales based on academic year in school, kind of like the rookie deals in the NFL, but can earn more as sophomore and so on. Maybe, just maybe, give some of the kids an incentive to get that degree.

I wouldn't mind a performance-based contract, incentives if you will.

I also do not believe a freshmen player, having never played a down in college football, should be making more than league minimum in NFL. At least those dudes have some college experience. I understand how the market works, and yes, there will come a correction. But leadership could help speed it up. There has to be a time coming, if not already, where a player didn't live up to expectations and a group finally says no more. Has it happened already? I am assuming these NIL deals are yearly, is that fair to say?

I don't know if all or any are feasible, maybe it's time for a CBA. I just believe that college football cannot continue on its current trajectory. MT has bigger problems in addition to the NIL world. Jesus, we are so far behind.

My thoughts are purely opinions, some wrong and some right, but we all know what they say about opinions.

FOOTBALL G5 Needs A Collective Ultimatum

And here it is. I'm gonna say the split will happen after this CFP contract is up after 2031-32 season.

"Sources in both leagues told ESPN on Monday they would prefer to have potentially four automatic bids each to the playoff when the next contract begins in 2026. CFP leaders haven't determined yet what the playoff will look like beyond this season and next. Some said they need to know that before making any decisions about future scheduling partnerships."

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MWC getting blown up

I agree Doug. And to a degree, this is where it is baffling why we can't position better. We are teed up, yet whiff so many times. For over 25 I have heard how moving to 1-A was a no brainer considering most of your aforementioned attributes.

Yet, here we are.
There have been way too many "almost" moments. Almost put together 2 magical seasons (2009 / 2010), but Dasher got suspended.

Almost hired this coach...Or that coach. You can say that about football & MBB. Interesting nugget : In the FBS era, MT has not hired a football head coach with a winning record in his previous 3 seasons as a coach.

Andy McCollum was 4-7 (1996), 2-9 (1997), and 2-9 (1998) as an asst at Baylor
Rick Stockstill was 1-11 (2003), 6-5 (2004), and 7-5 (2005) as an asst at ECU / USC Jr
Derek Mason was 0-8 at Sandy in 2020, 6-7 (2021 at Auburn), 7-6 (2022 at Ok State).

MWC getting blown up

I agree Doug. And to a degree, this is where it is baffling why we can't position better. We are teed up, yet whiff so many times. For over 25 I have heard how moving to 1-A was a no brainer considering most of your aforementioned attributes.

Yet, here we are.

To be objective, we have a lot going for us. We're a good school in a good growing demographic desirable area. A lot of our smaller/olympic sports are doing well.

But football is the 90% driver of this, with men's bball 5% maybe. The rest of everything falls in that remaining 5%.
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FOOTBALL Middle Tennessee at Memphis Game Thread

Went back and watched highlights. Can we just talk about the God-awful uniform we had going the other night? That has to be the worst look we have ever put on. First, I'm not sure why we would have went grey when it's one of Memphis' colors.

But more importantly, the color of those pants with no markings with the rest of the uni being white were just awful. Look like we had laundry wash malfunction and were wearing discolored britches. If we're going to wear this color please bring back the silverish tone instead of that dirty grey. Classic MT look to follow (and works with white jersey)...

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I love the gray personally. Have a gray jersey from '15 hanging in my office. Have a gray BB too.

But I 100% agree Saturday's looked awful. Would've looked fine with a gray helmet with the pants. Lids should always match the britches.
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FOOTBALL Open Week comes at perfect time

He isn’t wrong, we just need to play some clean football.
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