BBJ, how can you explain why you, Mike, and myself are the only true conservatives on this forum? Are the others just misguided or are they totally brainwashed by government schools and national news organizations? Thoughts?
Totally brainwashed or just misguided?
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Hard to say in each instance, but I'd say for starters that these folks do not have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. If they were a follower of Christ, they would not agree with the tenets of liberalism such as abortion on demand, homosexual marriage, along with promoting government welfare programs for those too lazy to work. In the cases of yourself, Mike, and myself, we're all believers in Jesus Christ and believe in God's Holy Word--the Bible--to guide us in our daily lives. To us, liberalism is abhorrent as it is in direct opposition to what God teaches us. I believe at the heart of each liberal's problem is their lack of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
Perhaps indoctrination is a more accurate word to use than brainwashing when describing our government educational system and national news organizations but by definition brainwashing is "a forcible indoctrination".
This post was edited on 10/27 8:54 PM by nashvillegoldenflash
YOU'RE LETTING GLOBALISTS BRAINWASH YOUR KIDS
This post was edited on 10/27 8:54 PM by nashvillegoldenflash
YOU'RE LETTING GLOBALISTS BRAINWASH YOUR KIDS
First of all not all liberals support abortion. Even if that were the case, there is plenty on the right that needs addressing that is just as bad (incessant support of war). Also, your idea of what Jesus was saying and my idea of what Jesus was saying may be two different things. You probably think you know "the truth" of God's word, etc but you don't really. You just think that you do. I've been told things by pastors that are not supported by scripture, but I don't want to go into a long debate about any of this other than to say, just because you believe something doesn't make it true. Two men look at the same thing and see two different things. I work with a lot of "lazy welfare people" every day at the plant that I work at. They get minimum wage so that "profits can be maximized" and you and I pay for it because they qualify for food stamps. In your mind, in your interpretation of what is going on, liberalism is against what God teaches us. That is an opinion, not a fact. There are PLENTY of liberals that have a good relationship with God and Christ. Take a look in the mirror. Get that plank out of your eye before you worry about what someone else is doing. You're so caught up in your own thinking and rational based on fear (from watching too much Fox News, I suspect) that you think you know all of the answers and what the truth is and I don't mean just you, I mean others like you too.
BRF, I agree two men can look at the same thing and see two different things. I look at our country and think, "God bless America" and Jeremiah Wright looks at our country and thinks, "God damn America". Obviously, conservatives will believe the former and liberals will believe the latter. The question is why did so many more people start to think like Jeremiah Wright than they did thirty years ago?
This post was edited on 10/28 7:04 AM by nashvillegoldenflash
This post was edited on 10/28 7:04 AM by nashvillegoldenflash
What a pity we have the Jeremiah Wright's in this country that spew their venom and hatred toward America--and God. Wright was later exposed for the hypocrite he is by having multiple affairs with women that attended his so-called "church." Funny how Obama later attempted to disassociate himself from Wright and his "church," isn't it? I thought Obama was proud of the "Reverend" Wright? Perhaps the Obama's should seek counsel from the "Reverend" Jesse Jackson??
Do you guys realize how many educated, well reasoned liberals and independents there are that have zero association with Wright? I would say the vast majority of them couldn't care less what right thinks. You have two choices when voting for a president. It's impossible to pick one that doesn't have some baggage. George Bush wasn't the monster that some on the left make him out to be and Obama isn't what you guys make him out to be. The average liberal and independent definitely aren't what you guys make them out to be. Do us all a favor and stick to the subject of policy and the points associated with it. All of this mud slinging makes you look.ridiculous.
This post was edited on 10/28 10:51 AM by BlueRaiderFan
This post was edited on 10/28 10:51 AM by BlueRaiderFan
"Do you guys realize how many educated, well reasoned liberals and independents there are that have zero association with Wright?"
BRF, do you realize your statement is a contradiction because well-reasoned liberal is an oxymoron.
BRF, do you realize your statement is a contradiction because well-reasoned liberal is an oxymoron.
BRF, I know you believe that liberals are well-reasoned individuals but the following link provides evidence to the contrary. As a matter of fact, a veteran psychiatrist says the kind of liberalism being displayed by Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder. FYI, this particular psychiatrist received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.
Veteran psychiatrist calls liberals mentally ill
Veteran psychiatrist calls liberals mentally ill
Flash, after reading the article, it's hard to dispute the findings of Dr. Rossiter. He makes a lot of sense!
Well hell...I guess since one says it, it must be true. Good grief, is anyone else out there reading this? Your reasoning is laughable....ONE...ONE psychiatrist means nothing. There are probably psychiatrists that say the same thing about conservatives. You guys really don't have strong logic and reasoning skills. The stuff you are posting has the reasoning of a 10 year old; "He says it, it must be true!" I don't know why I'm even bothering, but look, each side has extreme things to say about the other. Most of it isn't true.
All conservatives must be nut jobs. I've found an article that says so. I have found other papers by psychiatrists that say so too, so it must be true.
The specter of mental illness does indeed loom large over creationists, but they are not alone. Signs of psychopathology can also be seen among their political bedfellows, conservative politicians, especially when you consider a wide range of illness indicators. In his award-winning 2005 book, Dr. James Whitney Hicks discusses 50 signs of mental illness including denial, delusion, hallucination, disordered thinking, anger, anti-social behavior, sexual preoccupation, grandiosity, general oddness, and paranoia
Just because a person says something does not make it true. Just because 10 people say something does not make it true. You guys need to grow up and realize that people have come to different conclusions that you have, not because they are mentally ill, or some other such nonsense. They've looked at the evidence and decided a different approach is needed. Again, stick to talking about the issues and the problems with each and debate those. The rest of this mud slinging is well...just childish mudslinging.
conservative nuts
The specter of mental illness does indeed loom large over creationists, but they are not alone. Signs of psychopathology can also be seen among their political bedfellows, conservative politicians, especially when you consider a wide range of illness indicators. In his award-winning 2005 book, Dr. James Whitney Hicks discusses 50 signs of mental illness including denial, delusion, hallucination, disordered thinking, anger, anti-social behavior, sexual preoccupation, grandiosity, general oddness, and paranoia
Just because a person says something does not make it true. Just because 10 people say something does not make it true. You guys need to grow up and realize that people have come to different conclusions that you have, not because they are mentally ill, or some other such nonsense. They've looked at the evidence and decided a different approach is needed. Again, stick to talking about the issues and the problems with each and debate those. The rest of this mud slinging is well...just childish mudslinging.
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BBJ, in this video Dr. Rossiter provides a lot of insight into why liberals act and think the way that they do (see link). I would love to see BRF attempt to refute his arguments but we will more than likely get the typical attack the messenger response from him.
Dr. Lyle Rossiter
Dr. Lyle Rossiter
There's no attack response guys. In the opening lines he calls liberalism "political madness." I know liberals that think the same thing about you guys. That's my point; Both sides think they are ABSOLUTELY correct and the other side is ABSOLUTELY wrong. Until you learn to try and understand why the other person thinks what they do, leaving the hyperbole behind, you would find that both sides can come to some sort of agreement on occasion.
This post was edited on 10/28 8:59 PM by BlueRaiderFan
This post was edited on 10/28 8:59 PM by BlueRaiderFan
So let's begin by agreeing that income redistribution is immoral because it unfairly penalizes hard work and achievement. Income redistribution is theft by government. It infringes on my rights and I owe nothing to the one whom it helps.
It can be penalizing if it goes too far and at an extreme one might call it immoral. Those that use our infrastructure and military the most must pay the most, for one thing, if they didn't, we would not have the things we have as the middle class can't support a paying a larger percentage than they currently do. Much more in taxes and they will stop spending and we know what that would do to the economy.
The United States has the highest corporate tax rate in the world. At 39.1 percent, it sits 14 percentage points higher than the OECD average. That said, U.S. corporations are more than paying their fair share. And according to the IRS, the top 1% of income earners provide 38% of all federal income tax revenue while making only 20% of the income. Those in the top 5% pay 58.7 percent of all income taxes paid while generating only 34.7% of the income. They too are more than paying their fair share.
Highest Effective Corporate Tax Rate
Highest Effective Corporate Tax Rate
That corporate tax rate is a range starting at 19%. As far as what everyone is paying, I never said I wanted to raise taxes. I think current rates are reasonable.
Flash, we have to realize that these businesses and corporations don't create jobs now, don't we??
Hillary Clinton Demonizes Businesses
Speaking at a recent campaign event, Hillary Clinton took the opportunity to demonize businesses and corporations.
She said, ""Don't let anybody tell you that, you know - it's corporations and businesses that create jobs. You know, that old theory, trickle down economics. That has been tried, that has failed."
Even though most of the lamestream media failed to cover her remarks, she has since tried to walk them back.
But she sounds a lot like Barack Obama who famously declared that if you have a business, "you didn't build that." Remember that?
Without business owners needing labor in order to supply a product or service, where do liberals think jobs come from?
Liberal Democrats fail to appreciate the capital and risk it takes to start a business and the jobs it ultimately creates in order to grow and be successful.
Source: Media Research Center
Read more: http://www.hannity.com/articles/news-476261/hillary-clinton-demonizes-businesses-12909824#ixzz3HYrJXgQL
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Mrs. Clinton Tries to Walk Back Anti-CapitalismOctober 28, 2014
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RUSH: So I see Hillary Clinton trying to walk back her comments. Right. Trying to walk back her comments. No, no. That's not what I meant. Yes, it is exactly what she meant. I'm gonna tell you something about this. She didn't believe for a minute what she said about small businesses and corporations not creating jobs. She didn't believe that. Now, I can't speak for Elizabeth Warren. She may well be a kook. I think she is. And Elizabeth Warren may be a true believer.
She may really believe that private enterprise success stories are not real. She may really believe that owners of businesses had nothing to do with making them successful. She probably does. Mrs. Clinton doesn't. But Mrs. Clinton's trapped, and every other one of these Democrats is strapped. I was just thinking about this last night. They've sown the seeds of what could be their demise, and it started, well, a long time ago, but the modern incarnation of this is the five years they spent trashing this country, trashing President Bush, trashing the office of the presidency, trashing the military, smearing virtually everything that was happening in this country because of their own rabid hatred for Bush that was the result of the Florida recount in 2000.
The upshot of it, they created a sizable percentage of voters in this country, their base, they created a bunch of lunatics and insane asylum candidates who now demand to hear that stuff all the time. There are consequences to words and actions. There are consequences to deeds. And they've created this monster. I don't know what percentage of the American people would constitute the Democrat Party base. It's not a majority of Americans, thank God. But it's not tiny, either.
They fueled the rage, and they threw gasoline on it every day, and they continue to. And now, in order to stay viable, in order to remain in good graces with this deranged bunch of Democrat base voters, they have to continue talking like that. They have to continue saying things like that. They have to continue with policy that's rooted in this kind of rage and anger and hatred. And that's what Hillary was doing. She is placating this lunatic fringe base they've created. The reaction to it was strong, and Mrs. Clinton realized, "Uh-oh, I've gotta try to walk that back," but she can't walk it back.
She's got to hang in with it as far as the base is concerned. So she's gotta come up with some convoluted, "They took it out of context. I didn't really mean to say that," whatever, she's just making it worse. Those words are gonna remain with her forever. They're gonna live on in television commercials in every endeavor she seeks where she has an opponent. She's gonna have to explain, defend whatever those words, and they're gonna hang in there, those words are, and they're gonna continue to be a problem.
But more than that is what the Democrat Party base is going to demand from its leaders. The Democrat Party base, because this is what they've been fed, this is what they donate money on the basis of, this is what they've grown up to believe in and accept, the Democrat Party base is gonna require that whoever runs for office says this kind of inane, stupid stuff, which is gonna put pressure on Democrats to continue saying this, like Dingy Harry and this stupid Koch brothers thing, or this War on Women.
All of this is stupid. But they're now sort of imprisoned. They have to keep offering this red meat to this group of base voters of theirs. And that's what Hillary was doing, and look what happened. Now she's doing a mea culpa. (imitating Hillary) "I didn't mean it." Sorry. If she successfully walks it back, then she has disappointed the base. The base will look at her as a sellout. The base will question whether or not she really means all of this anti-capitalism. And if this Democrat Party base thinks that any of their politicians secretly actually like capitalism and crony capitalism, there may be a big price to pay, because the Democrat Party's taught these people in the education system, from K all the way through college, into hating capitalism.
Sharyl Attkisson and her book and the stories that CBS management, the ways management engaged to stop her, to shut her up, to shape her reports in favor of Obama, to get her to stop digging on news stories that could hurt Obama, when I've called these people "willing accomplices" of the Democrat Party and particularly Barack Obama, this Sharyl Attkisson book documents it, proves it.
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RUSH: This is Joe in West Seneca, New York. I'm glad you called, Joe. Great to have you on the program, sir.
CALLER: Mr. Limbaugh, it's a pleasure. I can't believe I got through. You made my day.
RUSH: Here you are.
CALLER: I got a burning question. I've had it, and I figure you're the only one that's gonna give me an honest answer. Hillary Clinton. Where does she have the chutzpah to think that she's qualified for the highest office in the country? She has no accomplishments, and yet everybody's buzzing about her. I'm in New York so I'm in a blue state.
RUSH: Wait a minute. Neither did Obama.
CALLER: That's another one. Will it be back-to-back catastrophes? I mean, when she was the first lady --
RUSH: There's an answer to your question, though. There's an answer to, "Why does she think she's qualified?" There's two things. First one and foremost: Arrogance.
CALLER: Yes.
RUSH: Arrogance and conceit. Second: She is owed it by the Democrat Party.
CALLER: Ah.
But she hung in there, and she ran the bimbo eruptions unit, and she did everything she could to keep that man in office and to keep him as clean as possible, and for that she is owed, and she was owed way before that. She is owed for leaving her own life way, way back at Wellesley and getting married to this guy and going to Arkansas and putting up with him philandering while she's at the Rose Law Firm.
She's been owed this, and that's why she's running. The third reason is, she is an avowed Alinskyite leftist, and they are driven -- they are driven -- by the idea that this country is fraudulent and illegitimate and it must be transformed, and I am not exaggerating in one syllable. That's why she's running. All of those reasons combined.
CALLER: Well, thank you, sir. I appreciate it.
RUSH: The qualifications have nothing to do with it. Obviously they don't. In the television age, qualifications change. Obama didn't have any, but he made a great speech. So did Mario the Pious. But Mario the Pious never really pulled the trigger on the White House. He kind of dipped his foot in there but didn't go all the way in.
Obama? There were all kinds of surface characteristics about him that made him unbeatable, and he didn't have to have any qualifications. Obama was such that the timing couldn't have been better. The Democrats had ginned up all this hatred for Bush and the Republicans, and here came Obama on the heels of that speech, and look what people thought he was gonna do.
He was the Messiah. "He's gonna fix everything! Everybody's gonna love everybody for the first time in world history." There wasn't gonna be any terrorism. There wasn't gonna be any war. There wasn't gonna be any acrimony. "There's gonna be nothing but everybody getting along. Everybody's gonna be equal. Everything is gonna be fair." There weren't gonna be any poor people. That's why there's so much disappointment.
"Democrats will be immune. Republicans won't dare criticize him." So Hillary, first female president? "Any criticism will be anti-feminist, feminist attacking, anti-woman. War on Women! Republicans, therefore, will shut up and let Hillary get away with whatever she wants 'cause they will be scared to death to criticize her." That's Democrats' game plan. But there's a problem.
As I mentioned in the first hour, the Democrats have created... I don't know if it's by accident or by design, and I don't know how long-lasting it is. But they have created a deranged voter base. They have created a delusional bunch of people that comprise their primary voter base. They have fed these people with undiluted, raw hatred and rage and anger -- actually, since 2000, since the Florida recount.
You could actually go back before that. But the intense hatred and rage, the really focused hatred and rage started with the Florida recount and it just kept on and kept on and it peaked during the Iraq war. As such, they've created an insane bunch if voters who demand to keep hearing this rage and hatred 'cause they felt some of it themselves anyway. Democrats came along and validated it.
Mrs. Clinton was right in there; Obama was right in there. All of them were. Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, you name it. They've all done it, and they've created this deranged base. So Mrs. Clinton goes out in her competition with Elizabeth Warren, who also is rumored to be seeking the Democrat Party presidential nomination 2016. Elizabeth Warren went out and said (summarized), "You didn't build that, business owner, factory owner!
"Don't let anybody tell you that, you know, it's corporations and businesses that create jobs. That old theory, trickle-down economics. It's been tried. That's failed. It's failed really spectacularly." Her base loved it. They cheered it. Except Hillary is profoundly embarrassed. She has to walk it back now. From a desperate-to-help-out Politico: "Hillary Clinton on Monday mopped up her botched statement from a rally in..." It was not "botched." She intended to say it.
She doesn't believe it, but she has to say it, which is my point. She has to say it because they have created a genuine lunatic fringe as their primary voter base. Her main competition was a woman who says equally inane things that the Democrat Party base loves. And, by the way, this deranged lunatic base is made up of college professors who teach their classrooms this crap.
I mean, this is not just Pajama Boys in the basement posting anonymously on the Democrat Underground. This is supposedly sophisticated college professors and stuff teaching this crap that you didn't build that, that businesses don't create jobs, that only government can do that fairly and justly and blah, blah. So they've got a service that demand, if you will. That's who shows up in primaries. They've got to serve it. That's what Hillary's trying to do.
But now she's stepped in it, and here's The Politico trying to help her out. "Hillary Clinton on Monday mopped up her botched statement from a rally --" It was not botched. She intended to say it. She doesn't believe it, but she has to say it, which is my point. She has to say it because they have created a genuine lunatic fringe as their primary voter base. Her main competition was a woman who says equally inane things, that the Democrat Party base loves.
And, by the way, this deranged lunatic base is made up of college professors who teach their classrooms this crap. I mean, this is not just Pajama Boy in the basement posting anonymously on the Democrat Underground. This is supposedly sophisticated college professors and stuff teaching this crap that you didn't build that, that businesses don't create jobs, that only government can do that fairly and justly and blah, blah.
"Hillary Clinton on Monday mopped up her botched statement from a rally in Massachusetts last week, making it clear she'd misspoken and hadn't intended to deliver a fresh economic policy message." Now, if you watch the video, it is clear she's reading from a teleprompter, and she's wringing her hands leading up to it. She's excited about it. She wants to say this. She intended to say this.
So maybe the teleprompter misspoke. The only thing botched about her statement was that somebody else heard it. The only thing botched about this statement was that she got caught making it.
Back to The Politico: "Clinton's cleanup came as she campaigned with Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney in Somers, about 90 minutes north of New York City, after two days in which Republicans bandied the likely White House candidate's Friday comment, made in the context of talking about trickle-down economics, on social media and the single sentence began gaining traction."
Oh, so she misspoke and she was taken out of context. Well, that's the perfect duo. She misspoke and was taken out of context. She said, "Don't let anybody tell you that corporations and businesses create jobs." And you know who else was there? Elizabeth Warren was also there. That's right. "She appeared on behalf of gubernatorial candidate Martha Coakley along with Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren, a populist, anti-Big Banks crusader who has become the wished-for candidate from some progressives for 2016." Exactly. And she had this crowd going.
Elizabeth Warren was feeding them this red meat. Hillary is watching this and she had to get in on it, so she intended to say this. The crowd was eating this stuff up. So now Hillary, after giving the crowd what it wanted, is now out there saying, "I didn't mean that," is not gonna help her with this lunatic base. You know what Hillary could say, if she really wants to walk this back? "I'm sorry. I was reading from Elizabeth's prepared remarks. They put hers on the teleprompter. Those were her words, not mine." She should try that.
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RUSH: Now, folks, I did not mean to gloss over the last caller's question about Hillary's qualifications. Let's list them. I gave him a truthful answer. She doesn't have any. Now, what's her resume? Let me run down some items for you. Some of Hillary Clinton's greatest accomplishments. That would include the Whitewater land scandal, which, as an offshoot, included Castle Grande, Madison Guaranty Trust. Remember turning $10,000 into a hundred thousand dollars with cattle futures from Robert "Red" Bone and reading the Wall Street Journal. That's brilliance.
She spearheaded a lot of pardons for criminals under the table. She also found a way to accept ChiCom contribution cash under the table using a Chinese restaurant entrepreneur named Charlie Trie. She used the Riadys, Marc Rich, Sandy Burglar. I mean, the list goes on, but there aren't any achievements. The one thing she attempted that she was given to do as payback early on was Hillarycare, and that blew up in her face. The bimbo eruptions blew up on her. She doesn't have any qualifications, but she's owed. She's owed so much for what the Democrats consider to be great donations, hangs in with Bill. I don't need to go through the list.
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Related Links
RushLimbaugh.com: Hillary: "Don't Let Anybody Tell You That It's Corporations and Businesses That Create Jobs!" - 10.27.14
RushLimbaugh.com: Sharyl Attkisson's Book on the Obama-Media Axis - 10.27.14
CNN: Hillary Clinton Backpedals on Job Creation Remark
Politico: Hillary Clinton Clarifies Jobs Comment
This post was edited on 10/29 1:56 PM by bigbadjohn45
Trickle up works pretty well too. Let's try that for a while by having a system where a middle class person doesn't have to go bankrupt before they can get health insurance that they can afford. That would be a nice start.
The country has tried trickle-up economics for the last six years and the only group that it has helped is the richest 10 percent. Despite all of Obama's rhetoric about helping the middle class, the richest 10 percent is the only income group of Americans to see their median incomes rise according to the Federal Reserve. The truth of the matter, the middle class has been one of the leading victims of Obama's presidency.
This post was edited on 10/29 7:14 PM by nashvillegoldenflash
Obama has only helped one group of Americans
This post was edited on 10/29 7:14 PM by nashvillegoldenflash
Obama has only helped one group of Americans
Obama kept the Bush tax cuts for the most part. The wealthy are becoming more wealthy because they are outsourcing to Asia and Mexico and because the Bush tax cuts have allowed them to keep more of their money. There are other factors of course, but those are big ones. Also, you can't really have a trickle up economy with the middle class filing bankruptcy over medical bills so much. Medical is sucking the life out of the middle class. We need to fix it and the student loan situation.
