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Marshall fans are delusional dreamers

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Marshall fans have an obsession with the American Athletic Conference and somehow in their own delusional minds believe that Marshall should be a member of the AAC. The truth is Middle Tennessee is a better fit for the AAC than Marshall based on enrollment and Carnegie Classification. If Marshall is not a good fit for the MAC, then why do Herd fans believe Marshall would be a good fit for the AAC? Marshall has a total undergraduate enrollment of 9,536 and Middle Tennessee has a total undergraduate enrollment of 20,262. Marshall's Carnegie Classification is Master's L: Master's Colleges and Universities (larger programs) and Middle Tennessee's Carnegie Classification is DRU: Doctoral/Research Universities. Despite having a medical school and a school of pharmacy, Marshall ranks 45th in U.S. News & World Report Regional Universities (South) rankings compared to Murray State (28th), Western Kentucky (31st), and Tennessee Tech (35th). Yet, Marshall fans want to believe they belong in a conference with Central Florida, Cincinnati, UConn, East Carolina, Houston, Memphis, Navy, South Florida, Southern Methodist, Temple, Tulane, and Tulsa. Six of these AAC members are doctorate-granting universities with "very high research activity," the highest classification given by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching and these member schools are also highly ranked nationally and globally by various groups, including U.S. News & World Report, Washington Monthly, and Times Higher Education. As much as Marshall fans want to believe it, the reality is AAC schools are not your peers. And despite losing to Middle Tennessee and Ohio (as Marshall has done 4 out of the last 5 years), Herd fans want to make the argument that Marshall should be considered for an access bowl if Marshall defeats Western Kentucky, but that's not going to happen. Just keep dreaming Herd fans.

Carnegie Classifications Breakdown
MAC: 12 Research Universities, 1 Master’s College.
- RU/VH (2), RU/H (9), DRU (1), M/L (1)
AAC: 11 Research Universities, 1 Baccalaureate College.
- RU/VH (6), RU/H (3), DRU (2), Bac/A&S (1)

Note: The one AAC school with a Baccalaureate College Carnegie Classification is Navy.

Carnegie Grad Classifications Breakdown
MAC: 11 Comprehensive Doctoral, 2 Doctoral.
- CompDoc/MedVet (3), CompDoc/NMedVet (8), Doc-STEM (2)
AAC: 10 Comprehensive Doctoral, 1 Doctoral, 1 Military Academy.
- CompDoc/MedVet (5), CompDoc/NMedVet (5), Doc-Prof (1), N/A (1)

Carnegie Selectivity Breakdown
MAC: More Selective (3), Selective (9), Inclusive (1).
AAC: More Selective (5), Selective (7) – 1 “More Selective” is Military Academy.

Enrollment Size (Approximate)
MAC: Schools over 20k (12), Avg. 24k
AAC: Schools over 20k (8), Avg. 25k

Carnegie Classifications – Basic Classifications
Doctorate-granting Universities: Includes institutions that awarded at least 20 research doctoral degrees during the update year (excluding doctoral-level degrees that qualify recipients for entry into professional practice, such as the JD, MD, PharmD, DPT, etc.).
- RU/VH: Research Universities (very high research activity)
- RU/H: Research Universities (high research activity)
- DRU: Doctoral/Research Universities

Master's Colleges and Universities: Generally includes institutions that awarded at least 50 master's degrees and fewer than 20 doctoral degrees during the update year (with occasional exceptions – see Methodology).
- Master's/L: Master's Colleges and Universities (larger programs)
- Master's/M: Master's Colleges and Universities (medium programs)
- Master's/S: Master's Colleges and Universities (smaller programs)

Baccalaureate Colleges: Includes institutions where baccalaureate degrees represent at least 10 percent of all undergraduate degrees and where fewer than 50 master's degrees or 20 doctoral degrees were awarded during the update year. (Some institutions above the master's degree threshold are also included; see Methodology.)
- Bac/A&S: Baccalaureate Colleges—Arts & Sciences
- Bac/Diverse: Baccalaureate Colleges—Diverse Fields
- Bac/Assoc: Baccalaureate/Associate's Colleges

Carnegie Classifications – Graduate Instructional Program Classification
CompDoc/MedVet: Comprehensive doctoral with medical/veterinary
These institutions awarded research doctorate degrees in the humanities, social sciences, and STEM* fields, as well as in medicine, dentistry, and/or veterinary medicine. They also offer professional education in other health professions or in fields such as business, education, engineering, law, public policy, or social work.

CompDoc/NMedVet: Comprehensive doctoral (no medical/veterinary)
These institutions awarded research doctorate degrees in the humanities, social sciences, and STEM* fields. They also offer professional education in fields such as business, education, engineering, law, public policy, social work, or health professions other than medicine, dentistry, or veterinary medicine.

Doc/STEM: Doctoral, STEM dominant
These institutions awarded research doctorate degrees in a range of fields, and the largest number of research doctorates were in the STEM* fields. They may also offer professional education at the doctoral level or in fields such as law or medicine.

Doc/Prof: Doctoral, professions dominant
These institutions awarded research doctorate degrees in a range of fields, and the largest number of research doctorates were in professions other than engineering (such as education, health professions, public policy, or social work). They may also offer professional education in law or medicine.

S-Doc/Ed: Single doctoral (education)
These institutions awarded research doctorate degrees in education but not in other fields (they may have more extensive offerings at the master's or professional level).

Postbac-Comp: Postbaccalaureate comprehensive
These institutions awarded master’s degrees in the humanities, social sciences, and STEM* fields, as well as degrees in one or more professional fields.

Marshall University
Classification Category

Undergraduate Instructional Program: Bal/HGC: Balanced arts & sciences/professions, high graduate coexistence

Graduate Instructional Program: Doc/Prof: Doctoral, professional dominant

Enrollment Profile: HU: High undergraduate

Undergraduate Profile: FT4/S/HTI: Full-time four-year, selective, higher transfer-in

Size and Setting: L4/R: Large four-year, primarily residential

Basic Master's L: Master's Colleges and Universities (larger programs)

http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/
 
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On Herd Nation, it appears that Herd fans want to believe that Marshall has a national reputation and is "the Notre Dame of G-5 schools." But how can a school have a national reputation and be thought of as "the Notre Dame of G-5 schools" when it is a regional university located in southern West Virginia and ranked 45th in U.S. News & World Report Regional Universities (South) rankings?

Sorry, Herd fans but It will take more than the "We Are Marshall" movie to make Marshall a national university. And Herd fans honestly believe Marshall belongs in the AAC. Just how many basketball games will the Herd win this year? So far Marshall is 0-3 including a 24-point loss to Morehead State. Yet Herd fans want to believe Marshall should be in a conference with Cincinnati, UConn, Memphis, Temple, and Houston so the Herd can lose basketball games by 35+ points. But that is what happens when you put most of your resources into winning football games but still get dominated by Western Kentucky, lose to Ohio University four out of the last five years, and escape with a double overtime win over Kent State thanks to a couple of controversial personal foul penalties that enabled the Herd to win and allowed Marshall to tie the all-time series with Kent State. The Notre Dame of G-5 schools? Just keep dreaming Herd fans.

Marshall posters make WVU fans look like Mensa candidates.
 
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