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Looks like he was a UNC Asheville commit.
MT is not on UNCA's future schedules. Ole Miss is on MT's future schedule.
You're comparing apples to orange, although in my perfect world a coach would not poach players he had recruited to his previous school unless the previous school's roster was full.
We will just have to disagree- I don’t think a school should Ever limit a kid going to school the kid/family thinks is best for them.
And it appears UNCA gave Crump a full release, to include future opponents- so not apples to oranges.
Intriguing prospect. Also interesting that we're getting a signee from Michigan. Have we ever had a player from Michigan?
Intriguing prospect. Also interesting that we're getting a signee from Michigan. Have we ever had a player from Michigan? Closest I can think of would be Darnell Harris from Wisconsin, but he came by way of junior college in Florida.
I guess barring defections over the summer, this sets our roster for next year. Hoping that Scurry gets his waiver to be eligible this year.
Massey is from Maryland, I believe.
We've now got a 6-7 PG, a 6-5 SG and a 6-5 PF to replace the three FR that were released.
Where was Bruce Massey from? Thought he was from that area somewhere.
Also, I’m getting lost as to what we have coming in, what we have that’s eligible and such. At some point cloud someone possibly do some kind of breakdown?
I can't speak for By5, but I'm more than happy to agree to disagree with you. If a coach leaves due to success you can be assured he is typically going to go to a school better resourced than the one he is leaving. As such Ole Miss doesn't need any additional benefits afforded to them (such as MT fronting all the money spent recruiting the players) just so they can sign there. Same for Asheville to MT scenario. Though I would certainly argue MT is in a boat much similar to Asheville than the yacht Ole Miss gets to cruise in. That said, I can even swallow that even as bad as it may taste but to allow someone to go to a place that in just a few months is going to be in a position to beat us is not ok.
In my opinion, a "kid" as you call him should honor his John Hancock. As I've stated before Kermit's name was no where on the Letter of Intent. The student-athlete signs with the school not the coach. If they don't understand that then as an adult (not a kid) these young men have their first learning opportunity on dealing with contracts - you know things that happen in the real world. However, I'm not such a hard ass that I miss the "concern" here. I would never force a kid to play for MT in this situation, but every school MT included has every right in the world and should exercise that right to restrict a small number of spots where that young man should be precluded from attending if it potentially represents a detrimental outcome to the university. In this instance, limiting him to a known opponent is warranted and acceptable. There is no reason why we should help Ole Miss out or for that matter allow a signee the opportunity go a hundred miles up the road to our rival.
As for Crump, I don't know if had any restrictions or not. What are you basing that on? But since MT is not playing Asheville this year and we are not in the same conference you're right it's not apples to oranges. It's bananas to kumquats.
I should have never made the original comment. I know better.
I get the whole competitive point of view. I get it, I just disagree with a school being able to limit where a kid transfers to. If a kid wants to transfer, they should be able to transfer anywhere with no restrictions, especially if they never actually played for the school. If we don’t like it, how bout we beat them on the court/field instead of taking what I consider a chicken s<%}| way because we are afraid to play against them. I have always thought it was a coward move when ANY school limits a player leaving like this. Just my opinion. We are not going to agree, so no point either of us posting about it again. I won’t respond and I’m not going to read another novel about a 17 yrs old being mean that need to honor their contract to a school when a coach making millions off their sweat can bolt for more money or leave the program trashed in NCAA violations so the kids college experience is screwed & the kid gets to make nothing off their jersey sales. Oh well.
I am glad Crump is coming to MT.
As an UNCA alum it doesn't bother me one bit to see Crump or any these kids (Teague- Baylor ; Baehre- Clemson) go elsewhere- they have to live their lives as they best see fit.. yes my team is affected but the players shift around every 4 -5 years anyways so the attachment is natural but fleeting.. I have always had confidence in the coaches to rebound, recruit, develop, and replace players who have left via graduation, transfers, academic reasons, etc..
As a comparison- UNCA lost 2 of 3 recruits and 4 current players with the coaching change and doesn't have near the recruiting funds that MTSU does- you guys will be just fine compared to a low-major like UNCA.. Crump has an almost 2-year long relationship with CNM/staff and your other recruits that left had I'm sure lots of time in with CKD/staff- you just can't replicate that quickly..
I wonder how some of you feel when schools don't renew player's scholarships? What if the kid is a recruiting miss, not good enough, and they just need to move down a level? I'm sure some folks here are ok with those guys transferring despite the resources expended.. Like it or not these are 1-year contracts and commitments.. as for the NLI for a player who hasn't even registered for classes or doesn't want to be on your campus- let them leave and have confidence in your staff to move on as well..
As a former college athlete things were different 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago and at a fundamental level I know I have a stick it out/honor your commitment to the team/school mentality- but....this is just the current climate in travel ball/youth league/grade school/high school/ prep school/college/amateur/ professional athletics- at every level you have kids who move or get moved from team to team- by the time they get to college you think suddenly they should just stick it out when so many haven't ever been on the same/similar team for more than 1-2 years? Especially when the coach you knew is gone before you even arrive? That's just not realistic.. then you want some frivolous penalty/restrictions placed on an 18 year old just to make yourself feel better for some perceived slight? The random thing in all this is the 4-game Ole Miss contract- take that out of the scheduling piece and none of you are all that mad from what I gather- just take it for the coincidence that it is & move on..my guess is none of you came out of your pocket directly for any recruiting expenses.. I expect pettiness from women and children, not grown men.. but maybe that's just me.
I say good for Crump- glad to see him land at MTSU and stay with CNM & company.......
Obviously, Kermit's situation was complicated by the fact that Ole Miss is on our schedule next year. But I would also be just as disturbed perhaps more so if any of the three signees ended up at UAB, wkcc, or Marshall. I wonder, kingaling, if your stance would be the same if any of your signees decided to go to Winthrop instead? You still good watching one of your signees bringing it twice a year against you? Would you be good watching Crump drop 30 on your beloved Asheville program in a Big South conference title game destroying your NCAA tournament hopes?
I respect your coming over here and giving us info on what to expect out of McDevitt. I also commend your loyalty to your school, your ability to accept your school's place in college athletics (something with which I clearly have a problem), and also your cogent argument defending your opinion on college athletes' rights as it refers to transfers.
My disagreement is with your statement that none of the funds expended for the recruiting of our released signees came (directly) out of our pockets. You are aware that funds are fungible. I would argue that some of the dollars (perhaps just pennies) the previous staff used to recruit these players did come from my pockets since for 30 +/- years I have been a season ticket holder (more than just men's BkB), I have on many occasions bought additional tickets for guests, I have never refused to give a gift for an athletic dept. fundraiser, and have been a BRAA member since inception.
I am not upset at releasing the recruits, I realize they signed with the coach and not the school in reality, if not legally. Clearly, you don't want players who don't want to be at your school. My problem is releasing players to any school in-conference or on future schedules. That still leaves 95+ % of the D-1 schools for a player to transfer to if a commonly accepted restricted release is given. Regardless of whether or not the player is following a coach I don't want to see a player MT had recruited, signed, and fans had looked forward to seeing in a Blue Raider uniform playing against MT during the regular season. I am considering dropping my support next year since I feel so strongly that fans have been greatly disrespected by this blanket release.
I had an emotional investment in these players when their signing was hyped, when I followed their senior high school years closely, and when I anticipated their stepping on the floor of Murphy Center. And yes, I had a few cents invested also.
Ha. Ha. Only if that girlfriend doesn't create havoc with my next one and undermine that relationship. See that's the point and the problem with allowing them to go in conference or to an opponent.
I'm curious then to know what you think the point of signing a letter of intent is for. Or signing day. Or transfer rules. I mean why don't we just allow P5 programs the right to just recruit any of our good players and just take them whenever they decide it fits their need. Middle of the season? No problem. Just take Giddy off our team and put him at Tenn because the Vols need a three point shooter. You may think that sounds preposterous (at least I hope) but your opinion isn't that far away.
And it's not just a competitive deal. I donate to the BRAA. My money goes to cover the scholarships of these players. There is a bigger picture here and if I'm going to donate money to MT my expectation is that they protect their investments. Allowing a signee that we've expended an immense amount of effort to recruit only to see him go to a rival or opponent is not a good policy. Don't restrict these guys from bailing if they want. That's fine. I understand it. They should be allowed to leave if they want. But since it is already at our expense no double whammies please. I don't even care if these guys go to Vandy or Belmont so long as those teams aren't on our schedule the next couple of years.
78, you have one significant flaw in your response to my post. You inaccurately make a presumption that my perspective is based on emotion. When it comes to competition, business acumen and ensuring MT's best interests are considered first and foremost emotion has no place. Only logic and reasoning.
In those three categories I'm unable to identify a single advantage to not restricting our signees to schools that we are in direct competition with.
Thanks.
P.S. You also based some of your view/opinions on what you wish the rules were not as they actually are (e.g. NLI signing parameters).
As for the "student's best interests": Just where does "personal responsibility", keeping commitments even under duress, and tough love fit into the equation? Realizing my biases but I just don't think either limiting a young athletes' options to either a few less schools or requiring sitting out a year is unreasonable regardless of the circumstances.