Legit question as I never played football. Do the weight room facilities have anything to do with that? Blatnick seems to be the kind of guy that knows what he is doing. Do we just not have all the guys need yet? I know CDM put in the nutrition station but it still isn't the same as a full blown nutrition system (ie meals, before workout, after, proper snacks, etc). The SAPC should help in all that, right? Better weight room, recovery pools, etc.

mtfblue said:

They don't have the frame and body's for FBS

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Didn't we also lose 2-3 linemen against Tech in game 1? I'm also thinking our conditioning has been subpar not only this year, but for multiple years now.

MTBig Blue said:

It's football and there will always be injuries but why does it seem like every single year, half of our starters are injured?

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They don't have the frame and body's for FBS

It's football and there will always be injuries but why does it seem like every single year, half of our starters are injured?

MT01 said:

I’m not so sure about that. Maybe this level was too much for him. He’s only completing 43% of his passes and gone over 100 yards passing once in three games. Sounds like they may have actually overpaid him.

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They were using that as leverage to get some money from UNLV. He will be back at Holy Cross or another NE fcs program.

MidTennMtneer said:

But thanks to the lawsuit the TN courts went through, it killed any NCAA restrictions. So now collectives have members (some businesses and some individual) and make direct payments to the players. Oklahoma State's collective spent almost $3m last year. Ohio State nearly $20m. The average I've seen for a 5-star player is over $100k/year with 2-star at around $12k. Some high end transfers are getting nearly $1m.

There's a thread here somewhere about our MBB team all being paid a few thousand a month last year.

Technically the collectives aren't part of the schools. But they work hand in had. "Hey Joe, this is coach. I've got a QB I want in the portal. I need $500k to get him." "No problem coach. Send him my way."

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There's no way we can compete with this. Not just us, there's probably 80 schools in the same boat more or less.

We (most of the G5) simply don't have the deep pockets needed to compete. I don't blame anyone - the teams that are primed to do well here are 100 year old football programs, with generational fan bases and longstanding commercial ties. We just didn't have the time to build that up.

We might not ever have been able to do that - the fact is we're kind of an everyman college - we train teachers and nurses and small business folks (and we're good at it too). We don't have a Haslam, or a Yellawood, or a group of Oil-men.

The G5 needs someone with some foresight and some cojones to get us out of this losing arms race and come up with a framework that works for us. Unfortunately, I think most of the G5 leadership is just simply focused on not rocking the boat, and keeping the paycheck and benefits coming rather than coming up with anything truly transformative.

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They passed us by pretty quick.

I've made the decision to spare myself of the agony of sitting through this game. It would only be for one half anyway, but I can't stand the thought of witnessing getting skull drug by another one of our "rivals".

I'll be doing other things Saturday night. Good luck to any of you who elect to suffer through this.

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Dream scenario....they leave and we go to SBC. Hey, one can dream.

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Thanks to Smith, McPhee, etc. we're probably 10th on any other league's list at this point.

They didn't understand the importance of building facilities. They haven't and still don't understand the importance of branding.

Facilities, name change, etc. all should have been done in the last two decades. And one thing to keep in mind Sun Belt isn't going to be looking for markets. They would be looking for competitors. Which one would you take? Us or Western? Our "leadership" has screwed this up so bad none of them should have a job with this Univ right now.

This screams as a great thing for us. 🙄

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Dream scenario....they leave and we go to SBC. Hey, one can dream.

I agree. If they get offered, they should go. It would make CUSA go from Delaware to Houston. Knock around 800 miles off the conference and should bring in more money to the remaining schools as the pie pieces are less.

And a 9 game round robin sounds fine to me. Out of conference of one FCS, one P4$, one G5 and call it a day.

DisgruntledAlum said:

Someone clarify for me, but these collectives cannot be associated with the actual university, or can they?

If the QB was not getting paid or demanding money, isn't that something to be discussed with the group running that collective, not the HC?

Wasn't the whole NIL situation as whole intended for players, if asked, to make commercials, endorsements, and other stuff like that? How did we get to this point of just paying players to come play and unlimited transfers?

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It was meant for how Shedeur Sanders does it. He has contracts for commercials with Beats, KFC, a local car dealer, a watch company. That is what NIL is truly for and what I don't think a single person is against.

But thanks to the lawsuit the TN courts went through, it killed any NCAA restrictions. So now collectives have members (some businesses and some individual) and make direct payments to the players. Oklahoma State's collective spent almost $3m last year. Ohio State nearly $20m. The average I've seen for a 5-star player is over $100k/year with 2-star at around $12k. Some high end transfers are getting nearly $1m.

There's a thread here somewhere about our MBB team all being paid a few thousand a month last year.

Technically the collectives aren't part of the schools. But they work hand in had. "Hey Joe, this is coach. I've got a QB I want in the portal. I need $500k to get him." "No problem coach. Send him my way."

That is why the judge rejected the initial House settlement. She didn't see why the NCAA still wants to limit and create a distinction between boosters and collectives. Doing so will still bring anti trust issues.

DisgruntledAlum said:

Someone clarify for me, but these collectives cannot be associated with the actual university, or can they?

If the QB was not getting paid or demanding money, isn't that something to be discussed with the group running that collective, not the HC?

Wasn't the whole NIL situation as whole intended for players, if asked, to make commercials, endorsements, and other stuff like that? How did we get to this point of just paying players to come play and unlimited transfers?

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That's one of the murky unknowns about NIL these days. It appears that it's state to state related. I know there was a law passed that allowed Tennessee's collective to be in touch with the football program. No idea on Nevada.

Someone clarify for me, but these collectives cannot be associated with the actual university, or can they?

If the QB was not getting paid or demanding money, isn't that something to be discussed with the group running that collective, not the HC?

Wasn't the whole NIL situation as whole intended for players, if asked, to make commercials, endorsements, and other stuff like that? How did we get to this point of just paying players to come play and unlimited transfers?

THE RB did a tweet saying it was not related to NIL but playing time. He was #4 on the depth chart at RB.

ewglenn said:

If I were them I’d take NMSU and UTEP and stop there for now. If they wanted 10 I would add Montana.

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I agree, it makes too much sense for both schools to go to MWC if given the chance. MWC needs to tell UNM to shove it and bring them both in.

MidTennMtneer said:

So MWC needs at least one more. I dare say NMSU & UTEP will be gone. Honestly I can't blame them. Much better fit geographically amd the exit fees are honestly paltry. MWC should have their own war chest soon. We all know the P12 suit will be settled.

Part of me wants a merger of sorts with west/east divisions just to solidify the conference, but that has about a single digit chance of happening. If the two do leave, I say stay at 10, move to 9 conf games and do round robin. Perfect for bball as well with 18 conf games.

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If I were them I’d take NMSU and UTEP and stop there for now. If they wanted 10 I would add Montana.

So MWC needs at least one more. I dare say NMSU & UTEP will be gone. Honestly I can't blame them. Much better fit geographically amd the exit fees are honestly paltry. MWC should have their own war chest soon. We all know the P12 suit will be settled.

Part of me wants a merger of sorts with west/east divisions just to solidify the conference, but that has about a single digit chance of happening. If the two do leave, I say stay at 10, move to 9 conf games and do round robin. Perfect for bball as well with 18 conf games.

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Caden is the best QB they have imo